thx someone should make a thread with all the acronyms and words for scions

 

thx someone should make a thread with all the acronyms and words for scions

 

you can do basically everything that you can do to a manual. it will jus cost you more, especially when it comes to buying a turbo...

 

I can't wait to start modding my auto FM, I hope to save up enough for new headers and an intake. I already have a TRD Exhaust which was factory option.

 

hmm not true...you can't get an aftermarket clutch for an auto...not unless you get an aftermarket torque converter which is pretty silly

 

hey can you still install like for example a HKS cold air intake while having the TRD supercharger????

 

u cant have an intake if your gonna do superchareged, it wont fit

 

I dont know about you guys... but I like to be in control of when my car shifts. First off, automatics dont shift faster than manuals. Tiptronic type shifting systems are glorified automatics which the driver sort of "suggests" when the car should shift. Also, the automatic will shift more often when in performance driving conditions like auto cross or road racing. When I AutoX, I shift into 2nd at redline, and it stays there untill I cross the finish line. Leaving Integra GS-Rs and civic SIs in my wake. If I had an automatic, the car would be constantly shifting between 1st and 2nd... and that sucks.

No offense, but the higher performance a car is capable of, the more parameters of control the driver has. Case in point, formula 1:



If you want performance, learn how to drive a standard transmission, period.

 

^^^^^^ +100000000000000000!!!

 

umm....tell this to the quarter mile guys. I'll agree a manual is good in autoX, but when your only goal is time and a straight line; autos will shift faster than any human could. So a blanket statement like the above is untrue.

As for our scions; it doesn't really matter. Most of us aren't autoX'ing, and of those that do, most aren't even doing it on a professional level (READ: You don't get paid to show up and run your car). I hate shifting in traffic, so I bought an auto. The guy above likes feeling like Speed Racer, so he bought a manual.

ON TOPIC: i/h/e is your best bet for an auto daily driver. And it won't break the bank too much...

 

Isn't time the only goal of any kind of racing?
I dont know where you guys are getting that autos shift faster than manuals. The only transmissions that can shift faster than a competent driver in a manual are sequential "dog box" transmissions, such as the ones used in rally. The Prodrive transmission in the Subaru WRC car shifts in 5 miliseconds, but is still controlled by a driver. same as f1 cars, which are frequently expected to accelerate from 20 mph to 200+ mph in a matter of seconds on the straight away.

I have straight line-raced plenty of my friends in thier auto tCs and had absolutely no problem at all stomping the hell out of them.

 

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a comment on that last part. If I remember correctly, the automatic tc has less hp than a manual tc. I dont remember the numbers exactly.

 

i can keep up with a manual tc like nothing

 

couple months ago another car club composed of toyotas and scions and our club met up and decided to do a nice mountain cruise and all that jazz. now think of the tokyo drift mountain lol, thats pretty much what it was like hahaha. and we were taking curves at roughly 60mph, the manula tc and i way ahead of the xb's and the celicas.

comming back down was sooo much fun, we started sling shotting down the mountain and roughly 80-90mph.

once we hit the open high way the manual tc and i went at it, and i could accelerate alot faster than him, taking him at half a length, but most of the time we were even. we both hit around 125mph which is fun, but settle down to the speed limit after passing police officers that were parked on the shoulder hahahaha

 

i remember back when some company on here dynod a 5spd and an auto tC. The 5spd was around (est. whp) high 14ish and the auto was around (est. whp) 13ish? So pretty much false advertise on the 160hp. I dont remember what the thread was about but i know it was qite some time ago.

dont underestimate the auto tho, i remember reading a few up on here pushing some high numbers. I like my auto. no power mods for me and dont plan on it right this minute, but i do have some small mods comming in the future for a little kick?

 

The Horsepower specs Toyota gives are for the engine's power at the flywheel, not the wheels. After running through the transmission there is rotational power loss, hence the lower power numbers @ the wheels. The manual trans also will dyno higher HP than the auto because of the narrower gearing... although the engines are identical.
This isnt a tC specific thing either... its a physics thing and is true for pretty much all cars.

 

Here you go for the doubters of autos:

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/ic20428.htm

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ear_manual.htm

These are the "Select shift" or whatever kind of tranny you want to call them. Will a manual tC beat an auto tC? Probably. But to say all autos suck is just plain dumb. A well engineered auto will out shift, and out perform any human working the gears. Computer controlled autos are faster, and more importantly, consistent in shifting.

So yeah.

 

oh snap, that start of machines taking over the world

 

Ha, not completely. Small aircraft are still mostly in human hands. We have to control the fuel/air mixture, directional control, fuel managment, and take-off and land. The big guys are all computer though

 

I agree with that entirely!
But in the case of the tC, the auto transmission doesnt perform (as you mentioned). The 6 speed auto transmissions available in super cars like the Lambo Murcielago, and Corvette Z06 are definitley super fast shifting, ultra well timed and precise transmissions.

But our dinky little $16k cars dont spring for that kind of engineering... so I rely on my shifting skills do get me from A to B as quickly as possible.