I think it would. On cold start ups when it idles high for a while, its MUCH easier to start off in 1st gear, and much easier to shift, as the rpms don't drop below the high idle point.

thats one thing i don't like, i think the 700rpm idle is too low, it should be at least 900 or 1K. Would this affect anything? i don't think so. Is it possible to set engine idle speed? i know we have an "engine idle speed control unit"...and i know i've seen my rpms go haywire and bounce up and down from baseline to 1500 and back repeatedly for a few minutes, revving the engine by itself!! obviously a sign of some kind of ISPCU signal interference or defect.

I feel strongly that if i could set the idle at 1000rpms, it would be a lot easier to start in 1st (without chirping;) and easier to shift gears.

has anyone ever looked into getting JDM camry (camery?) parts for the 2azfe??? i'm thinking along the lines of throttle body (cable controlled maybe?), intake manifold, MAF, ECU, etc..? theres a place i know in philly that imports parts from japan, where i'm sure camrys are PLENTIFUL. JDM Exchange. i'm going to call and ask nick what he thinks about doing a DBW-cable throttle conversion tomorrow.

 

yea its a little easier, but only because the ECU is already revving for you. I don't see what the problem is, because you have to rev up a bit to launch anyway.

 

or you could just get used to it. In the beginning I had alota trouble with the clutch and the throttle delay but now It doesn't bother me what so ever.

 

yea, it shouldnt be hard to get used to shifting at 700ish - that is what just about every car idles at from what I know. if you'd like, you can adjust the idle so that it idles at 1K if you want, but I think thats a bit ridiculous.

Bottom line, the car should NOT idle at 1K, but if you can't handle the clutch at lower rpms, then adjust it. In reality, with a 1K idle, the car basically can't stall if you let off the clutch fairly slowly lol

 

I learned to drive on a manual Ford F-250, which idled at 600, so it became second nature for me. With that thing, you had to rev up a little and work the clutch, or you would stall out. In that respect it was a great vehicle for learning manual, since you had all that weight working against getting the car going.

 

The tC is kind of weird for me because sometimes the delay is not there, therefore it runs and shifts smooth. But sometimes the delay is there and it's noticeable, so what I do is to rev a little bit everytime I shift, otherwise I will have a jerky ride.

 

I hate to sound like I am being rude... but you simply need to learn to drive a standard properly. Sure, it if idled higher you could start off without touching the gas, but that is true for any car.

Out of owning a lot of standards, I have to say the tC is VERY easy to drive. Just take some time to get used to the new/different car. 99% of the "delay" you speak of is simply lag due to a heavier flywheel. Talk to those that have swapped to a lighter flywheel and most will tell you this.

 

^^ I agree. The tC is by FAR the easiest stick shift that i've ever driven - and i've driven a lot. I have never ONCE stalled my tC in a year and a half nor have i burnt the clutch. It is a very simple car to drive. I was used to it within 5 minutes of driving it. If THIS is too hard, don't ever buy a true sports car or any other car that requires some skill to drive...

 

You can talk about that flywheel all you want, but the DBW system is MADDENING, especially the way it holds the rpms up there *after* letting off the gas.

I've certainly owned more standards than you, and I find the tC is probably the most difficult car to drive smoothly, ever. I can drive it smoothly mind you, because I've had so much experience, but that sort of driving requires far more concentration than it should.

I think Toyota figures most people in the US buy autos, it's a US only car, and so they just didn't put much thought into the whole thing.

I respect your opinion more than anyone elses on this board, but I think you're too easily dismissing the opinion of the haters of the DBW system on the tC.

And for most of us, we are not going to swap flywheels. So that is not a good solution. A good solution is for Toyota to reflash the ECU, the way Honda did for the Civic after zillions of complaints.

I think Honda has always been more resposive to customers than Toyota.

 

My JDMtyte friend JT told me that there's an easy way to solve this, that is, by not sucking at driving. I hear it works wonders.

 

 

x2^^^^^

and lol....i've been driving the tc since november 04, still haven't gotten "used to" the dbw/clutch system. perhaps because there is no consistency or feedback to get used to..... oh i can drive it, its just a real PITA sometimes to shift/match revs.

and btw, i've been driving stick for 8 years. 2 previous cars were stick (protege and civic) and worked at a service station for 2 years, so i drove practically every auto maker's clutch systems.

yes, while the tc's is better than some (ie. Ford, GM), that doesn't make it satisfying. i don't "settle". I see things that need to be fixed, and i try to figure out how to improve on it. i dont just accept things for what they are. esp when i payed 17K for a new car. heck , i would have just kept my protege had i known the ECT would be so finicky.

 

I've never had a problem driving my tC but then again I've driven a wide variety of manual transmission vehicles over the years.

 

i learned how to drive stick on a 1991 Ford Festiva...mmy advice would be to find someone with an old POS car and learn how to drive amazing on that then you will be able to drive the tC perfect. IMO only


^--"a Cajun deep in the heart of NJ"...im deep in the heart of NJ BTW..lol

 

maybe they could make it so that the car automatically shifts gears for you! that would make everything much easier! we can call it an automatic transmission! i bet we could sell millions!

practice makes perfect. the car isn't going to learn how you drive it, you have to learn how to drive the car.

 

turn on the AC....should make it 1k.

 

and take all the fun and control out of driving

 

that is the point! will doing this make it easier to shift? honestly the gear box is great, the only thing that can make it easier is learning how to drive!

 

well i dont know if i would call the gear box great without stiffening up the play in the throws, drive any honda 5 speeds and you will instantly know how crisp a stock shifter should be...IMO of course

 

well, after driving my bro's isuzu rodeo sport v6, an old farm pickup with a 4 speed manual, and my dad's c5 corvette with a 6-spd. i find completely insync with my tc. the isuzu is pretty long, that old farm truck is super tough to navigate, and the corvette is rediculous. the gears feel like they are a yard apart and is an extremely high effort to work.

i love my tc's shifter becauce i can hold it like a joystick and barely move my elbow to shift, or practically just flick it with two fingers to where i want it. but that is all preference i suppose.