engifineer

In a drag race, the 1st gen was not a competitor at all. Its over half a second quicker to 60 and a quarter to a half second quicker in 1/4 mile (some numbers show even better than that). He tied you cause he couldnt drive, at least not as well as you did. Chalk that up to your driving over his, not the car. Unless the mods a heavily lopsided towards the tC and the drivers as well, a new si will beat you every time. And like I said, the new tC runs about the same times as the 1st gen, so no real improvement there so the story would be the same.

Now, as far as fun to drive on the daily drive, the si loses in my (and many testers) opinions due to it feeling sluggish as a dog in the lower rpms... honda's typical tq curve. But when you get it way up in the band where it produces good power, it is a different story.

And in my previous post, dont even think of the comparison on an autox course between a tc and an old si hatch (89,90 ish or so). Those will kill a tC on course.. along with a majority of very high end sports cars as well. Just hard to compete with such a light, go kart like vehicle in todays pig heavy cars.

durp

Awe... That's no fun. I was hoping I could give those Si clowns a run for their money. I use to enjoy making them and 350z owners look like tards... Oh well, just more of a reason to go turbo sooner!

durp

Btw, thanks for answering my questions guys. I have been on many forums and this one is truly the best and most relaxed... Though I will admit that on my GTI forum we had a thread devoted to talking crap about tCs... Though we respect the boosted TC.

chicotunner07

nice to hear an educated response on the power of the tc2, i laugh when i hear toyota underrated it, lol

Mouse

That's exactly what I was going to say... pull up TcPete's build thread on N/A. he put in a lot of time, effort, and $$$ to hit the 200WHP mark staying N/A

Boosted Scion

Yes durp go boost again! lol. O and who cares if it's a slow process just get it done. Don't forget to post pics. Ya unforntunally a n/a vs a si. The si wins most of the time. . There is always the result of dirty driving on the street if you really want to win lol jk jk

durp

Haha yeah, boost is like crack to me... I just can't get enough of it!

chicotunner07

^just FYI, people dont take too kindly to street racing around here, so id just edit that post to avoid any arguments.

durp

@chicotunner07^ thanks bro

Boosted Scion

ahhhhhhh poooooo!

engifineer

and all of that means little since some kid on the street could have been driving like crap, driving an auto, etc. Fact is that most all tests I have seen show the 2011 tC running a 7.2-7.3 sec 0-60 and a 15.5-15.6 1/4. The previous gen tested usually came out at 7.3-7.4 sec 0-60 and 15.6-15.7 1/4 mile, so the two should be close to even if driven equally. At least stock vs stock.

durp

Any word on sway bars and strut braces for the 2g TC? I absolutely hate the suspension on this thing.... And the flywheel is so freaken heavy... Does trd make any good flywheels?

rangerryda

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TRD doesn't make anything. They just re-badge other manufacturers products lol.

durp

Haha, really? So would that mean it's good quality? Or is it like cheap stuff?

Boosted Scion

It's diffently over priced for me! 300 for a short shift is alot

rangerryda

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It's all name brand stuff but carries a higher price tag because it's sold through the stealerships.

highvoltage1

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I wouldnt buy TRD cause you can always get better stuff cheaper. Alot of people go with it for warranty reasons but as long as you dont use crap parts you should be fine. The only reason i have a TRD quickshifter on my tC1 is cause I won it or else i would have a doc iso one and i had the tRD rear sway cause i got it for 115. They rebadged progress coilovers on the tC1 and the intake was actually and AEM one. The sway bar was probably a progress one but i think was a different mm and the progress one came with endlinks if i remember correctly!

rangerryda

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^ and the Borla axleback and Quaife LSD, and Vortech supercharger etc etc etc

engifineer

You wont buy a better LSD for the tC than the TRD. That is because Quaife made one that was later bought and rebadged TRD.

The TRD rear sway is a great part and more than enough for a daily driver. The progress unit is very close to it in design, only with one more setting on it.

The TRD springs are probably the best balance between performance and daily drive comfort. They are Eibach springs. All of the tein springs (aside from their coilovers) are horribly designed, aka way too low for the suspension geometry and way too soft for the drop. Most of that is driven by a tuner community who doesnt understand suspension geometry at all (roll couples, camber curves, etc) and just want a slammed ride with mushy suspension so as not to make it too harsh. Horrible for handling but what most kids want, so that is what the aftermarket makes. The TRD springs, while not a huge drop, are designed pretty well believe it or not. On the first gen they could have been about .2 inches lower and stiffer to be a better setup, but they wanted to keep some ride comfort as well.

Buy any TRD items from TRD Sparks (or Dezod if they carry it.. but not sure if they do) and you will get much better pricing than the dealer.

For coilovers, Tein, while not the top choice out there as far as true, serious performance goes (try upwards of $5000 + for what serious guys consider good on suspension) are one of the better bets. Their dampers are pretty well matched to the springs and the spring rates are where they should be for a correct drop. Japanese springs and struts tend to be inconsistent in design for the most part, but for the price the Tein coilovers do pretty well. For out of the box coilovers they are a great choice on this car.

Dezod is also a great vendor to go through for anything they sell.

For a short shifter, see if DoctorIsotope comes out with one for the 2nd gen. I would recommend his hands down over any other one on the market. His prices are usually much better and he uses stock shifters to start with, not junky copies that can bend or break. And you know the pivot ball will always fit since it is a stock one to start. He can also make just about any reasonable drop and shift reduction you ask for, so you have some choice in the design.

durp

Thanks, that was very informative. I get a discount from the dealer on parts, I know someone who's family owns a dealership. But I have heard nothing but good things about these doc shifters... I'm anxious to when he may come out with a tc2 shifter for sure.