Repair order from pig for 'illegally modified exhaust'
Repair order from pig for 'illegally modified exhaust'
Just got a repair order earlier for my Tsudo exhaust. Cop said it was illegally modified for the state of Maryland.
What does this really mean? The exhaust is not defective and is well secured with Torque Solution hangers. Also, it couldn't have been that loud since I wasn't driving very aggressively...
What does this really mean? The exhaust is not defective and is well secured with Torque Solution hangers. Also, it couldn't have been that loud since I wasn't driving very aggressively...
Last edited by biglilsteve; Jan 17, 2012 at 06:10 PM.
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Take it to court, tell the magistrate that you dont even know what "illegally modified" means... when the magistrate tells you about aftermarket exhausts, just go "well thats what the car came with... so I dont understand what the ticket is for"
I had a cop question the exhaust on my xD once, I just said that "this exhaust came from the factory like that", and he changed subject real quick...
Cops dont like looking stupid infront of a judge if you can prove it... So they wont question when you tell them its OEM...
I had a cop question the exhaust on my xD once, I just said that "this exhaust came from the factory like that", and he changed subject real quick...
Cops dont like looking stupid infront of a judge if you can prove it... So they wont question when you tell them its OEM...
Take it to court, tell the magistrate that you dont even know what "illegally modified" means... when the magistrate tells you about aftermarket exhausts, just go "well thats what the car came with... so I dont understand what the ticket is for"
I had a cop question the exhaust on my xD once, I just said that "this exhaust came from the factory like that", and he changed subject real quick...
Cops dont like looking stupid infront of a judge if you can prove it... So they wont question when you tell them its OEM...
I had a cop question the exhaust on my xD once, I just said that "this exhaust came from the factory like that", and he changed subject real quick...
Cops dont like looking stupid infront of a judge if you can prove it... So they wont question when you tell them its OEM...
Doing that as we speak sigh.
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Bring in a schematic of the OE exhaust from a Toyota manual. There is nothing to call when you show them that... Just dont go in there all chucklehouse, you need to Van Damme them...
this is what i found out online about the exhaust laws in maryland>
Maryland
Exhaust Systems
One can find the typical provisions regarding muffl ers being required and cutouts being prohibited in Title 22 of the Maryland Transportation Code, section 402. This section also states that "[n]oise levels in excess of those adopted by the Administrator under 22-601 of this title are excessive," but upon inspection, section 601 only vests the "Administrator" with the power to do this, and we were unable to find any section where noise levels were actually stated. They may well exist elsewhere in the Code or other legal provision of the state.
However, in the same title of the Maryland Transportation Code, section 609 states that "[a] person may not modify the exhaust system or any other noise abatement device of a motor vehicle driven or to be driven on any highway in this state in such a way that the noise emitted by the vehicle exceeds that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured," and that no person may drive a vehicle so modified "on any highway in this state," which we should presume refers to any public road.
The very next section (610) then states something even more intriguing, and very similar to an aforementioned Florida statute: "A person may not sell or offer for sale in this state for use as part of the equipment of a motor vehicle any exhaust muffl er, intake uffl er, or other noise abatement device that, when installed, will permit the vehicle to be operated in such a way that the noise emitted by the vehicle exceeds that emitted by the ehicle as originally manufactured." But things get even worse, in that "[t] he manufacturer of each exhaust muffl er, intake muffl er, or other noise abatement device sold in this state for use as part of the equipment of a motor vehicle shall file with the Administration a written certification that the particular device, when installed for its intended application, complies with the requirements of this section," which seems to imply the existence of a certification scheme analogous to that of California. We alerted the folks at sEMA to this provision and ill keep you updated on any information we may come across on this and whether it's truly in effect.
Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz1jkGribPq
Exhaust Systems
One can find the typical provisions regarding muffl ers being required and cutouts being prohibited in Title 22 of the Maryland Transportation Code, section 402. This section also states that "[n]oise levels in excess of those adopted by the Administrator under 22-601 of this title are excessive," but upon inspection, section 601 only vests the "Administrator" with the power to do this, and we were unable to find any section where noise levels were actually stated. They may well exist elsewhere in the Code or other legal provision of the state.
However, in the same title of the Maryland Transportation Code, section 609 states that "[a] person may not modify the exhaust system or any other noise abatement device of a motor vehicle driven or to be driven on any highway in this state in such a way that the noise emitted by the vehicle exceeds that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured," and that no person may drive a vehicle so modified "on any highway in this state," which we should presume refers to any public road.
The very next section (610) then states something even more intriguing, and very similar to an aforementioned Florida statute: "A person may not sell or offer for sale in this state for use as part of the equipment of a motor vehicle any exhaust muffl er, intake uffl er, or other noise abatement device that, when installed, will permit the vehicle to be operated in such a way that the noise emitted by the vehicle exceeds that emitted by the ehicle as originally manufactured." But things get even worse, in that "[t] he manufacturer of each exhaust muffl er, intake muffl er, or other noise abatement device sold in this state for use as part of the equipment of a motor vehicle shall file with the Administration a written certification that the particular device, when installed for its intended application, complies with the requirements of this section," which seems to imply the existence of a certification scheme analogous to that of California. We alerted the folks at sEMA to this provision and ill keep you updated on any information we may come across on this and whether it's truly in effect.
Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz1jkGribPq
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Odds are, he saw a huge exhaust tip and decided to give you a ticket for an aftermarket exhaust.
Most states have a provision that you cannot replace the stock exhaust with an aftermarket piece.
It doesn't sound like the 'illegally modified exhaust' was that the exhaust was in some way defective or anything. It was illegally modified by simply existing.
Most states have a provision that you cannot replace the stock exhaust with an aftermarket piece.
It doesn't sound like the 'illegally modified exhaust' was that the exhaust was in some way defective or anything. It was illegally modified by simply existing.
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Modified yes but does it make more noise than the stock? Probably.... With a silly law like that, do they sell aftermarket mufflers in your state?
But like Wellesley said, tell them it's stock. Lol
Hopefully you don't have many tC's in your state for them to know what a stock muffler looks like compared to the shiny Tsudo.
But like Wellesley said, tell them it's stock. Lol
Hopefully you don't have many tC's in your state for them to know what a stock muffler looks like compared to the shiny Tsudo.
Come to Philly, you can get away with murder around here...
Also, what upsets me, is that you may had gotten a ticket for being to loud, or for modifying the exhaust, but why is ok for motorcycles to be so damn annoying and loud...
Dont get me wrong, I like bikes, but I dont think the laws are applied fairly
Also, what upsets me, is that you may had gotten a ticket for being to loud, or for modifying the exhaust, but why is ok for motorcycles to be so damn annoying and loud...
Dont get me wrong, I like bikes, but I dont think the laws are applied fairly
I was looking to buy either a tsudo or descendant exhaust this weekend, it's fate!
Got a sound certification last weekend in order to be able to race with an auto club here. Interesting thing is the TRD exhaust (50 state legal) was nearly as loud as the Descendant. Meter was set 50 ft from the driving lane and cars were tested at speed with WOT. The max we could get was 92 dB (I believe). Three of us tC2 owners were tested, each with a different exhaust.
Scott (Stock exhaust): ~72 dBs
Aaron (TRD exhaust): 83 dBs
Me (Descendant): 83 dBs*
*The Descendant was likely louder than 83 dBs, but I kept forgetting and shifting before the meter.
My point here is the TRD exhaust is louder than stock but specifically designed to be legal in all 50 states.
Scott (Stock exhaust): ~72 dBs
Aaron (TRD exhaust): 83 dBs
Me (Descendant): 83 dBs*
*The Descendant was likely louder than 83 dBs, but I kept forgetting and shifting before the meter.
My point here is the TRD exhaust is louder than stock but specifically designed to be legal in all 50 states.
Hmmm, this is interesting information! I think I am just leaning towards an axle-back though due to the very loud droning this exhaust gives when moderately accelerating. I'd love to just get the TRD and be done with it, but it's so darn expensive. I'd definitely take a loss if I sold mine to get it. I guess I'd pretty much take a loss regardless if I sold mine and got another though.
I've got some thinking to do. And some weighing of some pros and cons to do. I have always liked the Descendant's tone better than any other exhaust for this car. The Tsudo was just such a good bargain at the time.
I've got some thinking to do. And some weighing of some pros and cons to do. I have always liked the Descendant's tone better than any other exhaust for this car. The Tsudo was just such a good bargain at the time.
I love my Descendant exhaust. At low RPMs, has a much nicer note than the TRD and really isn't all that loud unless you are really getting on it. My motor mount makes the car much noisier than the Descendant exhaust.
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Got a sound certification last weekend in order to be able to race with an auto club here. Interesting thing is the TRD exhaust (50 state legal) was nearly as loud as the Descendant. Meter was set 50 ft from the driving lane and cars were tested at speed with WOT. The max we could get was 92 dB (I believe). Three of us tC2 owners were tested, each with a different exhaust.
Scott (Stock exhaust): ~72 dBs
Aaron (TRD exhaust): 83 dBs
Me (Descendant): 83 dBs*
*The Descendant was likely louder than 83 dBs, but I kept forgetting and shifting before the meter.
My point here is the TRD exhaust is louder than stock but specifically designed to be legal in all 50 states.
Scott (Stock exhaust): ~72 dBs
Aaron (TRD exhaust): 83 dBs
Me (Descendant): 83 dBs*
*The Descendant was likely louder than 83 dBs, but I kept forgetting and shifting before the meter.
My point here is the TRD exhaust is louder than stock but specifically designed to be legal in all 50 states.