In all honesty, I'd like to see what the GReddy kit does on an auto just to play devil's advocate. That 1.5L 1NZFE started it's life as maybe a 85whp motor. So the net gains are 65% to the TIRE! That's fairly impressive considering an auto with 208K miles on it and a VERY conservative tune IMPO.

 

Paul, talk to me in April and I should have numbers. I'm going Greddy because I'm going used, so more $$ for internals. The first pull will be on "stock" boost though with injectors and intercooler, around 5 psi.

I posted a price comparison on Club xB, the Greddy will end up costing more based on PTuning (and any authorized seller) pricing.

Greddy turbo kit w/ eManage blue - $2800
Greddy intercooler - $855
Larger injectors - $200
HKS SSQV BOV - $212
Greddy AirINX intake - $131

Total: $4198 not including shipping or install. eManage comes pre-tuned for base kit only, retune recommended for injectors and intercooler.

If you have a 2006, you'll also need a replacement piggyback harness, or rewiring your own. Prewired ones run $300 from Boomslang. The 365 comes with a choice of 2004-2005 or 2006 harness.

$3700 for a complete, no tune needed kit seems good to me. You will need some exhaust work for the mid-pipe, but the Greddy kit needs the same thing since the flange is offset on theirs.

I also saw an xA option ot the 365 page, has this been test-fit on the xA as well?

 

We are listed in NY as a GR dealer as well, FYI. (since it's a conversational piece)

I think with respect to comprehensiveness, 365's kit it is quite complete with PnP engine management and fuel. It's a decent deal for sure.

 

yeah a complete plug and play with all the saftey nets there is the absolute way to go, esp for someone that wants to boost and go without worrying about setup.

there will always be people wanting more. not worryin g about pushing the envelop of power and what motors will hold before they pop. because they'll rebuild it with upgraded internals and fueling and do it all over again with bigger power numbers and an even bigger pop. but those people don't buy (or at least install) an off the shelf kit. (or drive xa's or xb's except for very very rare cases).

 

Vetter and Paul thanks for the support while I was offline!
To put it simply this is not a Greddy kit so there is no point in comparing it to the Greddy it’s like a going over the finer points of an AMC Pacer and a BMW M6 they both have the basics but come on, however for fun…
The turbos are different, the pipes are different, the fuel management is different, the injectors are different (wait Greddy doesn’t have those), the intercooler is different (oops another additional cost item in the Greddy kit), wiring.. come on I have a plug and play the only folks who wire up their own are trying to save the cash by doing a DIY job which is great but I prefer a 5min solid install on the FIC!
365 makes it easy, heck I even give a set of Iridium plugs with every kit. On the power side the numbers speak for themselves my automatic is making more power hands down on a conservative tune than a base Greddy kit on a 5-spd. As for the price AEM’s FIC, a plug and play harness and the injectors are over a $1000 all in all I’m offering a solid deal and am very happy with the results!

Vetter the xA is in limbo as the demand is too low to justify doing the piping changes as of now..

 

You nailed it!
So true and I will be the first to admit that the numbers are not impressive on this kit….but that is only when taken out of context and not factoring in what base numbers are (this is a xB!) and that we can’t go too much more with out a substantial investment!

 

Well, I'm not a dealer, just a guy with an xB. My pulls would be at PTuning on their dynodynamics. We do have quite a bit of engine test capability at my work, but our turbines work a little bit different.

 

holy wow look at the bellmouth on that thing (and talk about a hi-flow filter)

 

awesome. im am completely satisfied with this kit. for the price its unbeatable, pre tune, injectors new plugs. totally awesome. i will be purchasing this kit hands down ive decided when i have the money. little tweaks can make more power on this kit easy too im sure. im very interested to see what my redline fluid dilled auto tranny, 2.25 in exhuast, vented hood(the make more power on a turbo car, its proven) and a nitrous chilled intercooler would do lol. id expect another 10hp at the minimum. plus this kit is so much more stealth than the greddy kit even with intercooler piping, oh and it also includes a BOV forgot about that one too lol. anyway, 365 all da way!

 

I have the GReddy Kit on my auto xB .... 126.7 HP 139 FTLB

 

I dont really trust numbers from a DynaPack Dyno... I've heard from other people that they give inaccurate numbers... as with your numbers on the 365 kit, the Torque and HP are almost the same. On most turbo cars the torque is usually higher than the HP

Check out this post: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=96256

 

Here are my thoughts on dyno numbers and dyno types as this is an age old discussion!
Do a base run at the shop that is going to do all your pulls, mod the car and do all pulls on the same dyno at that shop. This ends the “my dyno reads different then your dyno” talk! If you have a change of 100 base and 120 mod on one dyno and 90 base and 110 mod on another it is still 20 hp! As for the TQ/HP statement don’t believe all you read (this included!) sizing of the turbo, pipes, i/c, tune, natural characteristics of the motor all play factors in distributing the torque and horsepower readings not just the big numbers across the powerband. In reality most bolt on style kits are geared towards HP as that is the number that consumers mistakenly look for.

 

oh... so you saying that your auto xb put out those numbers on the greddy kit did you have injectors or a bov? Also what intake are you running... like i said im not trying to bash but i was just a little dissapointed about the numbers after all the hype of this kit..... ill have my boy matt post up dyno sheets of his 5 speed with the greddy kit i think he is just at about 145 150 whp range... on stock injectors and base tune.... with fmic... also from 365 website it doesnt state the kit comes with a bov.....

 

You must have not understood what this kit was about from the start.

It has always been about enhancing the natural powerband and adding power when your foot goes down in real world driving situations not just on the top end which is what it sounds like you are interested in. If you are disappointed then so be it, there are other kits out there that may interest you more and you might want to jump on one of those threads and participate.

Anybody who has mixed feeling on the “big” numbers has to remember this is a 1.5L motor with around 90whp stock give or take as to transmission type you won’t see wildly impressive numbers on paper (for example 300WHP!) without dropping some serious coin and building up the internals. My auto got 139whp that is 6 hp off the 145 you are talking about and 420 is talking about dyno variance, come on I can say to both of you in the seat on the road there will be no difference between the two it is where the power is added that matters. 420 was asked to share his dyno sheets and we are good but I don’t feel like getting into a ____ing contest over two completely different setups, I have not attempted to emulate the Greddy kit in any way and therefore have no reason to compare my results to them.

Also yes, the 365 kit does come with a BOV which is the HKS SSQV of course! I missed that while updating.

To everybody else who is interested in talking about the 365 kit I welcome discussion as I have been learning and immersing myself in this subject for the last 9 months I love to share what has been going on. While I don’t have all the answers I work very hard on providing relevant knowledge where I can!

 

tC injectors, HKS SSQV BOV - FMIC - 8psi

 

ok... so did you do a base run? whats the gain?

 

it is not possible to achieve 145-150whp on stock injectors, the stock injectors are over 90% duty cycle at around 120whp on a dyno dynamics. Any pictures of the kit installed? Good to see another 1.5l turbo kit on the market. Good hp numbers also, they seem about the same as the Greddy kit it seems given it was on a Dyno-pack.

I think people have too high of expectations with hp numbers on our cars, a 30-50whp gain is HUGE and a nice kick in the azz. Anything over 120whp is awsome. I will tell you this, any turbo kit for our cars is capable of exceeding the blocks strength, so it is usless to argue about which turbo kit produces more power.

 

thank you for jumping into this thread justin

 

I agree 100%. It's just a matter of boost at that point.

The net gain on this system is approx 65%. Put that in comparison to a 300whp car, it would be making 495whp!

 

First Off Zach Congrats On a sucesful kit. i dont understand why people are Trying to compare the 365 kit with a Greddy. whats does greddy got to to do with this kit its all diffrent zach kit offers a complete kit at a good price zach if i never bought todds kit i would have gotten yours and would have save some money on extra parts that werent incuded. Now People Can We ALL Just Get Along.