Turbo, or just swap the engine?!
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Originally Posted by BraveLittleToaster
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there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.
HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU GUYS BUT THE CELICA GT-S 2ZZ-GE MOTOR WILL NOT!!! FIT INTO EITHER THE XB OR THE XA. THE TRANSMISSION IS TOO LONG AND THE MOTOR ITS SELF IS TOO BIG. IF SOMEONE DID MAKE AT "SWAP KIT" IT WOULD COST AT LEAST $6K AND WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION TO THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE. IT FLAT OUT WONT FIT. WE EVEN TRIED TO MATE THE 2ZZ MOTOR TO OUR STOCK 5SPD AND ITS NO BUENO BECAUSE OF THE STARTER LOCATION ON THE MOTOR. I SPENT $4K OF MY OWN MONEY TRYING TO DO IT. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAVE YOU GUYS THE TROUBLE.
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Originally Posted by BraveLittleToaster
WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT I SENT SIOPAOJOE A PM ASKIN HIM WHERE HE'D SEEN A MOUNT KIT FOR IT AND I STILL HAVENT HEARD A REPLY.... HMMM 
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Originally Posted by aireck
all very interesting...
only time will tell where we will be in a few years....
but since the xb will be out of production soon will this affect its progress to get a decent swap????
only time will tell where we will be in a few years....
but since the xb will be out of production soon will this affect its progress to get a decent swap????
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However, the number of CRX hatches to xB's isn't even close..
I think it will be enthusiast development only. I'm in it because the xB is one of the most unique looking cars/micro vans for the last 20 years. I only see one a month if I am lucky and the number of people that stare at mine is just nuts. After 5 years and it's all paid off it's getting the engine and 4WD setup out of an Evo. Talk about sleeper!!!
I think it will be enthusiast development only. I'm in it because the xB is one of the most unique looking cars/micro vans for the last 20 years. I only see one a month if I am lucky and the number of people that stare at mine is just nuts. After 5 years and it's all paid off it's getting the engine and 4WD setup out of an Evo. Talk about sleeper!!!
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I see more xb's and tC's everyday than i do civic hatchbacks. It's all based on area there.
Yes, 1zz, 2zz can fit in our bay's with enough time and money invested.
However, i think i'm going to buy the yaris hb. Safe some money with payments and gas, and once i start moding it its lighter and yeah. I'm a fan of it. I might not.
Back to swapping, as for the k20 swap. K20 you would have way too many issues in reguards of fitment. B16 or B20 would be the best bet if you want to swap to a honda, which in my opinion would be worth it in the end. Personally, i would swap to a B16c5 motor for the box.
Yes, 1zz, 2zz can fit in our bay's with enough time and money invested.
However, i think i'm going to buy the yaris hb. Safe some money with payments and gas, and once i start moding it its lighter and yeah. I'm a fan of it. I might not.
Back to swapping, as for the k20 swap. K20 you would have way too many issues in reguards of fitment. B16 or B20 would be the best bet if you want to swap to a honda, which in my opinion would be worth it in the end. Personally, i would swap to a B16c5 motor for the box.
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Im surprised that nobody from Puerto Rico has thrown a 13b into a box yet...theres gotta be someone out there that has done it...they will put a 13b into anything 
I would probly **** myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot
I would probly **** myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Im surprised that nobody from Puerto Rico has thrown a 13b into a box yet...theres gotta be someone out there that has done it...they will put a 13b into anything
I would probly **** myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot
I would probly **** myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot
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Originally Posted by FrankenScion
Originally Posted by BraveLittleToaster
WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT I SENT SIOPAOJOE A PM ASKIN HIM WHERE HE'D SEEN A MOUNT KIT FOR IT AND I STILL HAVENT HEARD A REPLY.... HMMM
Thanks FrankenScion for actually thinking a response through before posting.
And it's been a week since that post and this is the first day that I got on and the first thing that I did was reply to your message asking what happened with your swap before I told you something because honestly, for a supposed $4k and nothing to show for it, I would never believe it.
Thank god I see this crap that you're pulling, trying to call me out openly even though you don't think things through like how FrankenScion did...very nice, let's see how long the next reply will be.
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Originally Posted by BCS
Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.
I just wanted to post something about the 3S-GTE engine. (NOTE - when I say longblock, I mean just the engine [head/block combo] itself. No other parts/peripherals or anything.)
The basic longblock of a 3S-GTE will NOT fit in an xB. It's too tall by a couple inches and it's too long (front to back) by a couple inches. Without major modification to front of the car and the firewall, it won't fit.
Now, the longblock WILL fit in an xA. The problem you run into is with the add-ons of the engine. I.E. the starter. Various peripherals will require a notch in the frame. The starter would require about a 1.5" notch in the frame to fit. There are a couple other parts that would need a notch as well, but they were less than an inch. You would also need to move the battery to the back (or another desired location) and move the turbo to the side where the battery was. Or, lengthen the front of the car by about 8 inches. As you can probably guess, this will also require all custom piping, as well as a new customer build radiator and a custom built intercooler. Regardless if you want to do front mount or top mount.
Since this is neither practical or safe, to effectivly swap in a 3S-GTE engine in an xA you should do an entire tube frame front end. Of course, if you get to this point, you probably aren't too concerned about money. Unless you are super rich or have a shop doing it for a discount.
There is alot you can do in there though. The engine can be lowered by about 2 inches to even out the center of gravity. It can also be rotated about 2.5 or 3 degrees to sit in the bay a little better. Those are really asthetic options, but it would save you from leaving burn marks on the inside of your hood.
There were plenty of other custom things you need. Custom flywheel, bellhousing, shift linkage and various other things that seem impossible to find.
Like I said; any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I just wanted to throw this out there.
On a side note, I may have a nearly fully built 3S-GTE longblock for sale pretty soon.
I just wanted to post something about the 3S-GTE engine. (NOTE - when I say longblock, I mean just the engine [head/block combo] itself. No other parts/peripherals or anything.)
The basic longblock of a 3S-GTE will NOT fit in an xB. It's too tall by a couple inches and it's too long (front to back) by a couple inches. Without major modification to front of the car and the firewall, it won't fit.
Now, the longblock WILL fit in an xA. The problem you run into is with the add-ons of the engine. I.E. the starter. Various peripherals will require a notch in the frame. The starter would require about a 1.5" notch in the frame to fit. There are a couple other parts that would need a notch as well, but they were less than an inch. You would also need to move the battery to the back (or another desired location) and move the turbo to the side where the battery was. Or, lengthen the front of the car by about 8 inches. As you can probably guess, this will also require all custom piping, as well as a new customer build radiator and a custom built intercooler. Regardless if you want to do front mount or top mount.
Since this is neither practical or safe, to effectivly swap in a 3S-GTE engine in an xA you should do an entire tube frame front end. Of course, if you get to this point, you probably aren't too concerned about money. Unless you are super rich or have a shop doing it for a discount.
There is alot you can do in there though. The engine can be lowered by about 2 inches to even out the center of gravity. It can also be rotated about 2.5 or 3 degrees to sit in the bay a little better. Those are really asthetic options, but it would save you from leaving burn marks on the inside of your hood.
There were plenty of other custom things you need. Custom flywheel, bellhousing, shift linkage and various other things that seem impossible to find.
Like I said; any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I just wanted to throw this out there.
On a side note, I may have a nearly fully built 3S-GTE longblock for sale pretty soon.
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Has anyone compared the 2 blocks? They're the same size...ooooh. And you wanna know why this would be a beneficial swap? Cuz the 2zz weighs 31lbs less which most of you probably haven't researched so i'll stop there.
Stop reading the crap that people post on here. It's all bull, nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to concrete information, and nobody shows has the research/toyota knowledge yet to be making assumptions.
A word of advice, start looking at what TRD has done for "similar" cars to the xB NOT in the US.
Stop reading the crap that people post on here. It's all bull, nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to concrete information, and nobody shows has the research/toyota knowledge yet to be making assumptions.
A word of advice, start looking at what TRD has done for "similar" cars to the xB NOT in the US.
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Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.
I can still recall the writeup, road-test, and pictures in Sports Car Graphic (eventually became Car and Driver) magazine of the "Cadiminor Minilac" - A Cadilac V8 in an original Mini...
True, there was only the drivers seat inside - the rest was engine - and the massive slicks on the rear did require a major revamp of the wheelwells, but it was all there.
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Well as far as swaps go I would really like to do the 2zz, I have also been trying to get in touch with EL but no luck so far. I saw their xa at the SE B-day event in LA.
Oh the 2zz came in a limited edition echo in canada I belive it was called the Panasonic edition or so. What we all need to look out for will be Honda Fits with K swaps, I have seen a RHD already done.
Oh the 2zz came in a limited edition echo in canada I belive it was called the Panasonic edition or so. What we all need to look out for will be Honda Fits with K swaps, I have seen a RHD already done.