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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 01:39 AM
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I actually have a 94 starlet, RHD, for sale in Socal...i'll post pix cuz their on my phone...but it has to go ASAP...$3000 with absolutely perfect interior and slight damage to the door but it comes with new door caps. Toms wheels are on it along with an HKS blowoff valve and an Apexi exhaust and also an intake (I believe Apexi).
Old Jan 13, 2006 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ELPrototypes
Once we figure out the total cost of the swap, we will post it. Just to give you an idea, we do this swap in Tercels for $2800.00 out the door. Scion will be slightly higher, but not that much.
Whatever happened with this?
Old Jan 14, 2006 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Biznox
EPA is the government agency you need to worry about. But if you're doing the swap yourself it won't matter, as long as you can make whatever engine you swap in there pass emissions you'll be fine. But if you are going to a professional to have the engine installed, you may have a tough time finding one willing to break federal law as the penalties can be pretty serious.

What a CHP or state guy says is superceded by EPA. EPA regulates for the entire country.
well of the 4 shops i've talked to about motor swaps. swap all sorts of completely non usdm motors into usdm cars as well as swaps similar . aka b20 into a crx. they do it all the time. and epa may superceed but........ when will epa ever see my car? even if i was in another state their smog and usch is much more lax than cali. i dont have to worry about epa police. just chp and state smog refs. lol

you show me someone from the epa going around enforcing motor swaps and i'll worry but since cali cops ARE out enforcing carb placards i'll keep my car legal by state law.
Old Jan 14, 2006 | 06:04 AM
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A 20+ year old CRX is not under the same kind of scrutiny as a brand new car. Get real.

I'm looking forward to seeing your 1ZZ motor swap man, make sure you post lots and lots of pictures of it here when you do it. That's going to be neato.
Old Jan 15, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Starlet for sale if anyone wants to do the swap this is the best thing to get...complete, running, and beautiful. Rapes an S2000 and keeps up with street bikes.

$3000


Old Jan 15, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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I just want the motor........lol.

I wish you would have kept posting on our site Joe, we had some interest getting generated for what you were talking about.
Old Jan 15, 2006 | 11:52 PM
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^^what he said.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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Ok check this out







Isnt she sweet..........

Not sure how the engine bay different from a Yaris......
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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The engine bay looks deeper.

What motor is that and what is it out of?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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That's the 20v 4AGE. The Vitz/Echo/Yaris has got to have a smaller engine bay than our Xbs I would think....? So, it'll fit(Haha, barely)?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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What vehicle did it come in?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 09:12 PM
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wasnt that an older JDM corolla motor??
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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Yes, the 20v versions were offered in Japan in the Levin(Corolla) chassis codes AE101 and AE111, from 92-95(AE101) and 96-2000(AE111).
Old Jan 17, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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FrankenScion...I don't have access to a computer very often...maybe one or 2 days out of the month regularly but I'll check up on it again.
Old Jan 17, 2006 | 02:18 AM
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Thanks Joe, that's some great info.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:47 PM
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Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.

I just wanted to post something about the 3S-GTE engine. (NOTE - when I say longblock, I mean just the engine [head/block combo] itself. No other parts/peripherals or anything.)

The basic longblock of a 3S-GTE will NOT fit in an xB. It's too tall by a couple inches and it's too long (front to back) by a couple inches. Without major modification to front of the car and the firewall, it won't fit.

Now, the longblock WILL fit in an xA. The problem you run into is with the add-ons of the engine. I.E. the starter. Various peripherals will require a notch in the frame. The starter would require about a 1.5" notch in the frame to fit. There are a couple other parts that would need a notch as well, but they were less than an inch. You would also need to move the battery to the back (or another desired location) and move the turbo to the side where the battery was. Or, lengthen the front of the car by about 8 inches. As you can probably guess, this will also require all custom piping, as well as a new customer build radiator and a custom built intercooler. Regardless if you want to do front mount or top mount.

Since this is neither practical or safe, to effectivly swap in a 3S-GTE engine in an xA you should do an entire tube frame front end. Of course, if you get to this point, you probably aren't too concerned about money. Unless you are super rich or have a shop doing it for a discount.

There is alot you can do in there though. The engine can be lowered by about 2 inches to even out the center of gravity. It can also be rotated about 2.5 or 3 degrees to sit in the bay a little better. Those are really asthetic options, but it would save you from leaving burn marks on the inside of your hood.

There were plenty of other custom things you need. Custom flywheel, bellhousing, shift linkage and various other things that seem impossible to find.

Like I said; any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I just wanted to throw this out there.


On a side note, I may have a nearly fully built 3S-GTE longblock for sale pretty soon.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 10:28 PM
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How much power do u want in the end?

150ish max? Turbo or S/C it!
Alot more then the only option is change the engine and have a few bucks to spend on it cause it will be pricey!
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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just swap in a K20! if they can fit it into an elise or an MR-S, you could shoe horn it into an xB. DEFINITELY would not be cheap and there's a 98% chance you'd have to give up some kind of ammenity to make it fit (i.e. smaller radiator, no a/c or relocated, cutting/welding of supports, etc.) but i think it'd be more then possible with enough time, $$ and skill.

http://www.jtuned.com/media/gallery%...S%2D0336%2Ejpg

seriously, show me an engine swap UNDER $3k that actually WORKS and runs great and that'd be the bargain of the century. more then half of that cost would be spent on labor alone.

honestly, figure out how much power you want to make, what kind of driving/racing you plan to do with it and how much REALISTICALLY you want to spend to get there.
Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RHDVIPbB
there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.

HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU GUYS BUT THE CELICA GT-S 2ZZ-GE MOTOR WILL NOT!!! FIT INTO EITHER THE XB OR THE XA. THE TRANSMISSION IS TOO LONG AND THE MOTOR ITS SELF IS TOO BIG. IF SOMEONE DID MAKE AT "SWAP KIT" IT WOULD COST AT LEAST $6K AND WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION TO THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE. IT FLAT OUT WONT FIT. WE EVEN TRIED TO MATE THE 2ZZ MOTOR TO OUR STOCK 5SPD AND ITS NO BUENO BECAUSE OF THE STARTER LOCATION ON THE MOTOR. I SPENT $4K OF MY OWN MONEY TRYING TO DO IT. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAVE YOU GUYS THE TROUBLE.
Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:42 AM
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