I'd love to swap a 2-Zed in, but from what I understand it is more headache than it is worth. I've been watching EL to see what they have to say about their 4E swap.

 

any engine that is the same year or newer than the chassis year aka 2005 and newer if you have a 2005 xB .

must retain all smog devices. the catalytic converter has to be in the same approximate location.
must be from a cali car , cannot be a heavy duty motor ( no problems there )

 

Garret has 56% claim http://www.turbokits.com/xA_xB_turbo_kits.html in a 108hp engine that is just under 61hp. While 61 hp doesnt sound like much you always have to consider the stock power, Its like getting an additional 112 in a 200 hp engine. Pretty good gain really. Besides swapping for a bigger engine would throw off the balance and handling of the car.

 

yeah but it's illegal. and I don't believe a 56% claim at all.

 

Its close to being on point Darren...the only thing is its advertised at the crank...not at the wheels. Also, it should be noted that it was also on a manual tranny vehicle...I hit 123 on my automatic with a safe held back tune...Auto's put down about 83 to the wheels...Thats a 40 hp increase on an automatic

 

back to question (if you didn't live in cali) would you try your hand at a 1zz swap or FI

 

Where is everyone getting these inflated numbers. To the ground I have yet to see a xB dynoed over a 100hp. And so far the biggest gain I have seen in person and from dyno sheets was only 144hp to ther ground. I am seeing if the know how is there to do the work then a swap is gonna be a way better option.

I actaully have had the oportunity to purcash a 04 box with ablown engine in it and and few other problems and was wondering what engines I would be able to drop in this thing. Got plenty to time to get it to work and come together. Just need an engine to put in there that wont take alot of hacking up of the vehicle.

Any ideas for me to go on?

 

This is just a dumb statement. People buy cars all the time that "arnt" meant to be fast and would like to make then fast. No one ever thought a neon would be fast and bamn they are sold factory 230 to the ground. I have seen pintos at the track run 9's.

And i know you didnt put mustang gt in the fast car catagory.......

 

I would be curious to see if you could squeeze a 2.0T out of a MK II MR2 in an Xb.......

 

If I personally did not live in cali. i'd go f/i over a swap. cuz I know if tuned correctly it will be a billion times easier and a bare minimum of oh say 3 grand cheaper.

 

the 3sgte is larger than a 1zz/2zz , 4efte , 4ag , and 2azfe. and the only engines of those I just listed that remotely fit are the 1zz/2zz and the 4efte. the 4age is too large by a bit. the 2az is the next largest which wont anywhere near easily fit. and then the 3sgte is the largest of all. it is a HUGE 4 cylinder. and to fit the best it'd need to be out of a celice alltrac / gt four

 

eh if theyre getting that much hp I believe their aggreessive tuning will bring a quick death to the motor. unless of course theyve learned a few tricks that no one else has.

 

If your grandfathers & great-grandfathers had this attitude in the 50's & 60's, there probably wouldn't be any need for car forums, the aftermarket industry, or mothers and apple pie!

 

No, that is incorrect.

You cannot swap in an engine that is not EPA certified to be in THAT chassis.

You can't put a 2005 Mustang Cobra V8 in your 2005 Scion xB because (aside from the obvious reasons) legally the Cobra engine has higher emissions than the engine the car came with and EPA does not certify THAT engine with THAT chassis.

Look up the laws dude.

Same reason your 1ZZ swap isn't legal either, sorry.

 

i ave looked up the laws as well as asked california highway patrol , and california state smog referree's. not smog guys but state refs... i'll go by what all of them say.

 

EPA is the government agency you need to worry about. But if you're doing the swap yourself it won't matter, as long as you can make whatever engine you swap in there pass emissions you'll be fine. But if you are going to a professional to have the engine installed, you may have a tough time finding one willing to break federal law as the penalties can be pretty serious.

What a CHP or state guy says is superceded by EPA. EPA regulates for the entire country.

 

You people do realize that for the E.L.Prototype swap, they are not stock and getting 170whp. First it is bumped up to 1.5L...not 1.3 which only adds like 10hp stock but when you start building you will see a gap of 50+whp that the 1.3 limits. Then they went with a front mount intercooler and who knows what tiny little things nobody knows about. Then of course the main part-YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE. A stock starlet has 135hp and for 2k you'd get the same in your scion with a turbo setup.

But yes, the starlet is the best when you DO upgrade because you have the potential of 300hp

 

erase!!!

 

erase!!!

 

Joe, you should post a pic of a flared out Starlet, I don't think some of these peeps were born then!