(4) JL Audio W3v2D2 15's or (1) Resonant Engineering XXX 18?
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Better to over power a sub rather then underpowering it. Most subs blow becuase they are underpowered which leads to distortion.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
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Popa,
Here's a suggestion. Go with a XXX 12 or 15, or an Adire Brahma. Put it into a snailshell enclosure and watch what happens.
Either the XXX or the Brahma will work fine with the power that you have, assuming that it's clean power. They can take more, but more isn't necessarily better.
The Snail Shell enclosure is perhaps the most awesome enclosure available, and has proven to consistently give people 3-5db over a conventional enclosure. They are very affordable, but there's a waiting list, but it's well worth it. A single sub in a snail shell enclosure most times hits louder than 2 identical subs in a regular custom built enclosure.
The XXX will be your best choice for SQ and SPL, with the Brahma a close second. The XXX actually uses the XBL technology licensed from Adire, so they both have the flatest BL curve on the market, meaning very accurate musical reproduction.
Hitting the '50's can be done, but remember that you have alot of cabin space in the xB to pressurize. In addition, you have to make sure this is your goal. You can tickle the meter very efficiently and not have the car "loud", and you can also have a car that will make it hard to breathe, hitting very low, but can't tickle the mic very well. Depending upon what you really want, I can guide you as to how to tune your enclosure.
Kind Regards,
Matt
Here's a suggestion. Go with a XXX 12 or 15, or an Adire Brahma. Put it into a snailshell enclosure and watch what happens.
Either the XXX or the Brahma will work fine with the power that you have, assuming that it's clean power. They can take more, but more isn't necessarily better.
The Snail Shell enclosure is perhaps the most awesome enclosure available, and has proven to consistently give people 3-5db over a conventional enclosure. They are very affordable, but there's a waiting list, but it's well worth it. A single sub in a snail shell enclosure most times hits louder than 2 identical subs in a regular custom built enclosure.
The XXX will be your best choice for SQ and SPL, with the Brahma a close second. The XXX actually uses the XBL technology licensed from Adire, so they both have the flatest BL curve on the market, meaning very accurate musical reproduction.
Hitting the '50's can be done, but remember that you have alot of cabin space in the xB to pressurize. In addition, you have to make sure this is your goal. You can tickle the meter very efficiently and not have the car "loud", and you can also have a car that will make it hard to breathe, hitting very low, but can't tickle the mic very well. Depending upon what you really want, I can guide you as to how to tune your enclosure.
Kind Regards,
Matt
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Matt,
I'm diggin the info bro.
Honestly I could care less about the mic....
Picture this.....
A friend gets in my car......I put in a song to show off my system......I crank it and he is like damn this is loud.....then it hits this one note in the car and......he hurls all over my dash board.
Now I really wouldn't want anyone throwing up in my ride...but you get the concept I am looking for.
I have heard about the snail shells.
But I am looking to get a mdf box with plexi reinforcement. Then I am going to wrap it in Suede to match my interior.
I want a smooth looking box ya know.....It's gotta look at least almost as good as it sounds.
Do you think 1 XXX or 2?
I have 1000watts per channel so 2000watts.
I've always been a firm believer in overpowering and keeping the gains down.....
I'm diggin the info bro.
Honestly I could care less about the mic....
Picture this.....
A friend gets in my car......I put in a song to show off my system......I crank it and he is like damn this is loud.....then it hits this one note in the car and......he hurls all over my dash board.
Now I really wouldn't want anyone throwing up in my ride...but you get the concept I am looking for.
I have heard about the snail shells.
But I am looking to get a mdf box with plexi reinforcement. Then I am going to wrap it in Suede to match my interior.
I want a smooth looking box ya know.....It's gotta look at least almost as good as it sounds.
Do you think 1 XXX or 2?
Better to over power a sub rather then underpowering it. Most subs blow becuase they are underpowered which leads to distortion.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
I've always been a firm believer in overpowering and keeping the gains down.....
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Originally Posted by SmartAss
Better to over power a sub rather then underpowering it. Most subs blow becuase they are underpowered which leads to distortion.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
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Originally Posted by BLACKICE
Popa,
Here's a suggestion. Go with a XXX 12 or 15, or an Adire Brahma. Put it into a snailshell enclosure and watch what happens.
Either the XXX or the Brahma will work fine with the power that you have, assuming that it's clean power. They can take more, but more isn't necessarily better.
The Snail Shell enclosure is perhaps the most awesome enclosure available, and has proven to consistently give people 3-5db over a conventional enclosure. They are very affordable, but there's a waiting list, but it's well worth it. A single sub in a snail shell enclosure most times hits louder than 2 identical subs in a regular custom built enclosure.
The XXX will be your best choice for SQ and SPL, with the Brahma a close second. The XXX actually uses the XBL technology licensed from Adire, so they both have the flatest BL curve on the market, meaning very accurate musical reproduction.
Hitting the '50's can be done, but remember that you have alot of cabin space in the xB to pressurize. In addition, you have to make sure this is your goal. You can tickle the meter very efficiently and not have the car "loud", and you can also have a car that will make it hard to breathe, hitting very low, but can't tickle the mic very well. Depending upon what you really want, I can guide you as to how to tune your enclosure.
Kind Regards,
Matt
Here's a suggestion. Go with a XXX 12 or 15, or an Adire Brahma. Put it into a snailshell enclosure and watch what happens.
Either the XXX or the Brahma will work fine with the power that you have, assuming that it's clean power. They can take more, but more isn't necessarily better.
The Snail Shell enclosure is perhaps the most awesome enclosure available, and has proven to consistently give people 3-5db over a conventional enclosure. They are very affordable, but there's a waiting list, but it's well worth it. A single sub in a snail shell enclosure most times hits louder than 2 identical subs in a regular custom built enclosure.
The XXX will be your best choice for SQ and SPL, with the Brahma a close second. The XXX actually uses the XBL technology licensed from Adire, so they both have the flatest BL curve on the market, meaning very accurate musical reproduction.
Hitting the '50's can be done, but remember that you have alot of cabin space in the xB to pressurize. In addition, you have to make sure this is your goal. You can tickle the meter very efficiently and not have the car "loud", and you can also have a car that will make it hard to breathe, hitting very low, but can't tickle the mic very well. Depending upon what you really want, I can guide you as to how to tune your enclosure.
Kind Regards,
Matt
A properly built vented enclosure will work wonders for a triple X. I used to run a single HC18, and I was doing 151's with my daily driver (tuned to 30hz)... but I used to run a large ___ amp...
2kW is barely anything these days, you need to step up the game ;)
Oh yea, and the XXX will eat 4 sealed JL's any day of the week... ask the guy that works at Best Buy nearby me... 6 - 15w3's.... 148???????? the same mic I was doing 151's on???????????? lol...
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2kW is barely anything these days, you need to step up the game
Here I was thinking I got a monster amp that can push any sub and I just got punked.....
I would love to go larger but I just don't want to get into altering my power supply to dramatically.
So yeah honestly I don't care what Speakers I get anymore.
This is what I know:
I have 2000watts at my disposal.
I have plenty of air space to sacrifice.
I want to hit the highest db I can with what ever I get.
I just want it loud, to look good, and sound good.
I like to use the word I.
I would be highly upset if I invested in 4 12's and someone could get louder with 1 15 or something along those lines. I would drive my Scion off a cliff and start over......
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Originally Posted by jdaniels
Originally Posted by SmartAss
Better to over power a sub rather then underpowering it. Most subs blow becuase they are underpowered which leads to distortion.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
Id say if all you have is 1000watts to go with 2 400w subs or a 800 watt sub that way you have some extra power.
Wow hostility but for sure it is the truth. Lets prove it someday. Ask someone that works with car audio they will tell you the same thing.
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The snailshell "is" better than a standard enclosure, it's been proven time and time again. As far as making it work, that's John's job when he builds it. So long as the resonant frequency of your vehicle is what you told him, and your tuning frequency is correct, you'll be fine.
Popa, the snail shell enclosure is also made of Plexiglass, so that is an option.
Listen, by what you are telling me, you're not into competitions and truly metering high. although that is somewhat of a concern. Here's what I would recommend you check out.
As for your amplifier, you've got a decent amount of power that will work with most subs out there, so you'll be fine. Are there more powerful amps out there, sure, but for what you are after, the enclosure will be 90% of your results.
If it were my money, here's what I would have you do. Before you decide, please surf the web and visit these sites and read about it, ask your questions, and I'm sure any option will make you happy. Again, please understand that an xB has a ton of cabin space, so metering higher will take more power and more cone space, but you can still get great results if you plan properly.
First, check out the MTX 9500's. In my personal opinion, I would not compete with an MTX sub, but the new 9500 series is at least a well thought out design. It will hit real low and loud with the power that you have. I would consider 1 to 2 of these, but I would use their new Thunderform enclosures, which are specifically built for these subs. They are a great combination, and could be cheaper than a comparably built enclosure if you have a local shop do it for you.
Another option would be to visit Powered 4 Sound (www.powered4sound.com) and check out their snail shell enclosures. You can purchase them for either 1 or 2 subs, and they have enclosure/sub combinations already available. Any of their combinations will work and work well, although there may be a wait for John to build one for you.
As for RE, you cannot beat their equipment, hands down. Equal to, if not better than, anything out there. A XXX would be a good choice, an SX might be even better. For an xB, depending upon how much space you want to use, you can use any combination of them, but you will not use a sealed enclosure in order to get the "puke" effect. Again, I can certainly get you great prices on the RE gear if you like.
Now, there is one other choice that you should consider. Atomic makes some incredible subs. I used to run them, and am still sponsored by them and use their amps. Great equipment. Go to www.bigboyzaudio.com and you can learn more about them and see if they might be an option.
We can get the RE or Atomic gear built anyway you like it, any sizes you like.
I know it's alot of information, but since it's the weekend, do a bit of reading and then email me and we can nail it down to the perfect setup for you. You'll be pounding the streets before you know it.
Oh, and finally, there are as many, if not more, opinions on what's best as there is gear to buy. In this game, everyone's right and everyone's wrong, if you know what I mean. Ultimately it's up to your ears to tell if you are happy, and in all honestly, you might swap things out later to get that perfect combination for you. But if you know what you want, we'll get you there....
Kind Regards,
Matt
Popa, the snail shell enclosure is also made of Plexiglass, so that is an option.
Listen, by what you are telling me, you're not into competitions and truly metering high. although that is somewhat of a concern. Here's what I would recommend you check out.
As for your amplifier, you've got a decent amount of power that will work with most subs out there, so you'll be fine. Are there more powerful amps out there, sure, but for what you are after, the enclosure will be 90% of your results.
If it were my money, here's what I would have you do. Before you decide, please surf the web and visit these sites and read about it, ask your questions, and I'm sure any option will make you happy. Again, please understand that an xB has a ton of cabin space, so metering higher will take more power and more cone space, but you can still get great results if you plan properly.
First, check out the MTX 9500's. In my personal opinion, I would not compete with an MTX sub, but the new 9500 series is at least a well thought out design. It will hit real low and loud with the power that you have. I would consider 1 to 2 of these, but I would use their new Thunderform enclosures, which are specifically built for these subs. They are a great combination, and could be cheaper than a comparably built enclosure if you have a local shop do it for you.
Another option would be to visit Powered 4 Sound (www.powered4sound.com) and check out their snail shell enclosures. You can purchase them for either 1 or 2 subs, and they have enclosure/sub combinations already available. Any of their combinations will work and work well, although there may be a wait for John to build one for you.
As for RE, you cannot beat their equipment, hands down. Equal to, if not better than, anything out there. A XXX would be a good choice, an SX might be even better. For an xB, depending upon how much space you want to use, you can use any combination of them, but you will not use a sealed enclosure in order to get the "puke" effect. Again, I can certainly get you great prices on the RE gear if you like.
Now, there is one other choice that you should consider. Atomic makes some incredible subs. I used to run them, and am still sponsored by them and use their amps. Great equipment. Go to www.bigboyzaudio.com and you can learn more about them and see if they might be an option.
We can get the RE or Atomic gear built anyway you like it, any sizes you like.
I know it's alot of information, but since it's the weekend, do a bit of reading and then email me and we can nail it down to the perfect setup for you. You'll be pounding the streets before you know it.
Oh, and finally, there are as many, if not more, opinions on what's best as there is gear to buy. In this game, everyone's right and everyone's wrong, if you know what I mean. Ultimately it's up to your ears to tell if you are happy, and in all honestly, you might swap things out later to get that perfect combination for you. But if you know what you want, we'll get you there....
Kind Regards,
Matt
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Popa, the snail shell enclosure is also made of Plexiglass, so that is an option.
I got a lot to do today but let me get back with you later...
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So how much to the RE XXX 15" Subs go for?
Also can you get them in a dual 4ohm version?
E-mail me at popalock85@yahoo.com
If you do not want to or cannot give pricing information through this forum......
Also can you get them in a dual 4ohm version?
E-mail me at popalock85@yahoo.com
If you do not want to or cannot give pricing information through this forum......
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Popa,
I can give you the pricing, but here's another option to consider. I have 4 XXX 10's and 2 RE MT 18's that I have to get rid of. Well, I don't have to, but I just decided to put 16 8's in my xA, so no sense the other subs setting in the garage. All subs are about 2 months old and in excellent condition. Never abused, only used in one competition.
If you want pure SPL, the MT 18 DVC .7 Ohm subs will be your choice. The pair only had about 15 burps on them, and no more than 8000 watts. I hit a 163.1 on these two, and wreaked havoc on my enclosure!!!
However, if you don't want PURE SPL, but a mix, the XXX 10's are a great way to go. They are very linear, hit hard, fast and low. They are DVC 2 Ohm subs, and are 52lbs. each (not a misprint). I had 4 in a sealed enclosure, dual chambered, about 2.5cft. per pair of subs, SQ install all the way, and we metered 155, so these will absolutely perform and do it well.
Now I'm not trying to sell anything here, but I can either get you prices on new equipment straight from RE or Atomic, or, if you are interested, I can cut you a screaming deal on them, just pm me. I also have amps to power them up if you need it.
Let me know either way. If you need, I can email you pictures of the install I had on my Suzuki with all the equipment in it.
Kind Regards,
Matt
I can give you the pricing, but here's another option to consider. I have 4 XXX 10's and 2 RE MT 18's that I have to get rid of. Well, I don't have to, but I just decided to put 16 8's in my xA, so no sense the other subs setting in the garage. All subs are about 2 months old and in excellent condition. Never abused, only used in one competition.
If you want pure SPL, the MT 18 DVC .7 Ohm subs will be your choice. The pair only had about 15 burps on them, and no more than 8000 watts. I hit a 163.1 on these two, and wreaked havoc on my enclosure!!!
However, if you don't want PURE SPL, but a mix, the XXX 10's are a great way to go. They are very linear, hit hard, fast and low. They are DVC 2 Ohm subs, and are 52lbs. each (not a misprint). I had 4 in a sealed enclosure, dual chambered, about 2.5cft. per pair of subs, SQ install all the way, and we metered 155, so these will absolutely perform and do it well.
Now I'm not trying to sell anything here, but I can either get you prices on new equipment straight from RE or Atomic, or, if you are interested, I can cut you a screaming deal on them, just pm me. I also have amps to power them up if you need it.
Let me know either way. If you need, I can email you pictures of the install I had on my Suzuki with all the equipment in it.
Kind Regards,
Matt
That Scion is going to get nasty real quick!!!
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LOUD?!?!?!?!
well all of the subs you guys are talking about i have never heard of, but if you want all out ***** to the wall loud go with a DD sub. I have 1 12" DD in a vented box and i hit a 155 with it, http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/default.asp. These are the loudest and cleanest subs i have ever heard.
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why hasnt anyone mentioned a pair of MOJO 15ins? those would kill if tuned the right way. not to mention they can hold over 4000 watts on each voice coil (ignore the rated numbers, those are for newbs)
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