never timed it. it never really gets emty but it doesnt run very long when i raise it up in the mourning for work. it is usually full by the time i get to the end of my street. all in all i am pretty happy with the 380, but it never hurts to have 2, atleats that is my plan.

 

Would 1 Viar 450 be enough for me? I'm going to probably get a 5 gallon and after i'm done playing with it for the first few weeks it'll be strickly bussiness (wait who am i kidding?). Seriously though, most of the time it'll be up in the morning, down when i get to school, up when i leave, down at work, up when i go home, down for the night. I think with only FB, 1 450 would be enough? Thanks

 

if you only want one i would definitly go with the new 480, it is a very good compressor, and is good up to 200 psi if you ever want that much.

 

I'm thinking of getting a Viair 480. i've heard good feedback about it!

Rebelman-- the box behind my rear bumber is for my sub box.... i cut the entire back floor out of my XB and made this box using MDF, fiberglass, plexyglass, mirror, and purple neon! I have 8 vlaves(2 at each corner-outside).


Here is the compressor mounted to the box. this is awesome b/c its not mounted directly to the fram of the car, and i don't get any vibaration, or rattling noise!






here is my box that the compressor is mounted too!









Notice that in the first pic the sub box is black. I coated it twice with fiberglass resin to weather proof it, then i put 3 layers of bed liner on it. Used a plexy window on the top to give the box "depth", so people wouldn't think it was a premade audioformz box. but hey... those are W7's baby.... That box is dam near 2.5 cubes! its a little fat, i know, but with my experience, this is what i have found to work the best.

 

^^^^ very nice setup... looks amazing. plannign to do a complete box setup when i get the money, and my brother moves out to help me. gonna do the airride, subs, and soundproofing all in one week, probably in a year or so....i need a better job, or a cheaper hoby!

 

That is AWESOME!!!! Very nice work man.

 

i like ur exhaust, and audio setup too. everythings looking good man keep it up.

 

air bomber and air runner are the exact same thing just rebadged. they are both sub divisions of ACC.

 

oh really? i thought that the ACC used different valves and some other subtle differecnes.

are they the exact same in every respect? i have an article somewhere that i thought showed a little difference. maybe im wrong though. ill look for it.

scott

 

krazy your xB is CRAZY !! damn i wish i could do all that lol. The only difference between the 450 and 480 is the 480 goes to 200? I doubt i'd ever need that much, i just want a simple basic system. With my 15" the xB should look pretty damn slammed with the FB system i want

 

Well I finally finished reading this entire thread. And to be quite honest, I just had to sit back and laugh a couple times. Everyone else was sharing, so I figured I would throw in my 2 cents.

First, I am pretty new, posting wise, to Scion Life. But I have been browsing around on here for over 6 months. I am not new to pneumatic suspension (air bags for all those "minitruckers" out there). I've been around the air suspension game since the mid 90s. And was even present the day Slam Specialties test fit their very first set of prototype bags to a truck. (No, I do not have any affiliation with Slam Specialties.)

At first glance, there appears to be two very different schools of thought when looking at air bags for an xB. And with the two sides debating, all the poor "noobies" are caught right in the middle, not sure who to believe. On one side you have the crowd who seem to be saying Air Runner or nothing. And on the other side you have the crowd "dissing" Air Runner.

In reality, I think both sides have valid points. And I don't think the two sides are as diametrically opposed as this thread (and others) would make them appear. Passion about a subject often causes one to be blind to the views of others.

The Truth, as I see it...

Air Runner makes what appears to be a fantastic air suspension kit for the Scion xB. I say appears, because I have no personal experience with one, other than descriptions and photos on the web and their catalogue. The quality really does appear to be second to none right now. But the kit definitely has it's short comings.

First and foremost is price. With a street price of $3100 plus shipping (and possibly tax), it is probably the most expensive air kit on the market for the xB. Now if the parts list was a little more robust, the price wouldn't be THAT bad. But for the parts you receive in the kit, it is just too expensive for my taste.

There is obviously a market for the kit though. There are those out there who will settle for nothing but the "best," and are willing to pay for it. And along the same lines are the JDM and VIP crowd. In my mind, this kit fits the bill for those people. Just keep in mind that "best" is entirely subjective.

Another drawback to the Air Runner kit is that it is in fact a "kit." If the parts and pieces were sold separately I am sure you would have many of the people that currently dislike the product singing it's praises. I know most of them would choose the Air Runner front struts over Air Lift's. But as of yet, ACC isn't willing to do that.

Then you have the view provided by Air Runner's detractors. Most of which say the best bet is to piece together a kit from several different sources. This is actually the route I will be taking with my wife's xB. One must be cautious in making this decision though. If you aren't experienced with pneumatic suspension, the different parts, common suppliers and retailers you could quickly find yourself in a very bad place.

There are lots of companies out there that make and sell a lot of parts. Do your research. Find out their track record. There are companies in this industry that I will NEVER deal with. And others that I have no reservations about sending a "noobie" to.

The one thing I probably would not suggest would be to buy a complete kit from Air Lift. Not that Air Lift is a bad company. But the rear kit does see, to have a really bad track record. Everything that I have read though, tells me that they have resolved their issues with the front struts. Air Lift does have some very complete air management packages that make ordering what you need very easy. But with a little research you can piece together your own kit that will outperform the Air Lift products and do it for the same price.

I guess I will just stop with that. But if anyone has any questions, ask away. Whether it is my opinion about a specific product, my plans for the wife's xB, or if you want to know what my personal experience is with air suspension. I am completely open. And hey, if something I said offends you, fire away. You aren't going to hurt my feelings if you disagree. I'm always up for a spirited debate.

 

am i the noob u were refferning to?

 

I wasn't referring to any one person in particular. Just "noobies" in general. I could only imagine how fast their head would be spinning after reading this thread and the others like it.

 

Nice write up, i'm planning on going on the much cheaper front ES & rear SS setup Hopefully it all goes smoothly

 

Wonderful write up but as far as i can tell with myself and others post we are not dissing the kit but the price itself.. Now for what comes inthe kit brand name wise you can easily buy it all seperatly excecpt for the front but even the front strut is a kyb strut with a bag adapted to it and thats all.. Theres nothing special about the kit.. Like ive said numerous times.. Different strokes for different folks..

Get what you want, take in what you will and learn from others mistakes. its the best anyone can do when theres not many choices on products..


Cheers!

 

Thanks for the comment.

And the point that you guys weren't actually trying to "dis" the Air Runner kit is what I was trying to convey. The kit has short comings. Like you said, the biggest is the price. My bet is that if ACC would offer their components separately they would have a HUGE boost in sales. I know if I had more money than sense, I would buy their kit just for the front struts and sell off the rest of their parts at a loss.

And like you said... different strokes... different folks. The only time I will speak up and tell people they are making a mistake, or a bad choice, is if I know from experience. Whether it be choosing a poor suspension design, or dealing with a company with a bad track record.

 

Radical Tops aka AIM Industries aka Bagginit

LOL the list goes on and on

 

^^^RTon20s

i am interested in what you are planning on doing with your wifes xB. I have no experience with pneumatic system companies or components, or anything like that, but i know how to hook up various systems, and how to do stuff right. I was wondering that if after you make a list of everything for your wifes car, and hook it up that you could pass the list my way. Not looking for anything hard core, just a simple lift and lower setup to get the extra points when i roll up to the shows. and be able to change my ride at the flip of a switch.

 

Air runner and Air Bomber are the same company.

 

Baggin you xb can be a ton of fun if you do it right. I run a easystreet system with a digital controller in my 2.0 and it was great driving from Fla to NOPI/Atlanta. The car is a daily driver and has proven reliable. It is a bolt on kit designed around the rear sway bar and requires no modifications. I sell these systems on my site www.scionpro.com and you can see a short video in the gallery under "Cakes" We have installed several locally.I read most everyones response before posting so as not to get blasted. There are other kits out there, some very expensive or you can piece one together yourself (not suggested) The easystreet system is complete but has had a few glitches along the way of developement but keep in mind everything for these cars is new as the brand itself. So here are some pointers....The kit comes with hard lines for a reason...one they are DOT/SAE approved street legal for automobiles and are double layered for safety. They dont fatigue and form bubbles or slip off the connectors and are difficult to pinch or puncture which soft hose can. Besides all the fittings are included and are a snaplock design preventing leaks and disconnects. Be sure to provide enough slack for the front struts so that the car can move freely.Another issue mentioned is leak back through the piston of the compressor as it wears. Just install a one way valve between the compressor and the tank or upgrade to a compressor that has an interchangeable piston/ring set up. Another is rattling struts....This was caused in manufacturing and I have been assured by easystreet that the problem is being corrected and the new kits will be right/the one' s already sent out will be replaced. (their customer service and appreciation is excellent as my clients will attest to)Scion mills the struts horizontally ,aftermarket applications have been milling vertically causing a tolerance discrepency. Another hint that I can think of to prevent leakage and provide reliability is to put silicone around the purge valve threads before inserting it into the tubing and dont over tighten the clamp. The silicone will provide a nice seal.Last but not least because I live in Fla a very wet place I mounted the pump/dumps/and solenoids inside to the car to eliminate condensation sand and dirt from destroying these components and I still have room for the upcoming audio/video systems. Any further questions ask Scion Steve at www.steve@scionpro.com this will soon be a new page on the site along with a new look and 100-150 new Scion products.

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