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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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I gotta question. What is the best way to measure and store the doses. I'm thinking some sort of eyedroper and small glass bottles you can carry with the right amount of acetone to add when at the pump???
I'm gonna get a gallon and need to know the easiest way on how to break it down for daily use basically. The 3oz. per 10 gallons will help if I can remember that.
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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i got a small measuring cup from walmart
it was like $3 or less.
it measures: ml
Tbs.
Tsp.
& oz

heres a pic of the cup



and heres a pic of my mix kit



i put 4oz of acetone and 3oz of lucas and then i top it the reast of the way of with gas and mix it all up.
and keep it in the back of my car ready for the next fill up.
after use i just throw the bottle away at the pump.

with 1 gallon of acetone you car treat 352 gallons of gas (at 4oz to 11 gallon tank)
so im saving about $3-$4 per tank and my mix will treat 32 tanks.
thats between a $96 -$128 savings that only caust me about $12 dollars to do.

i know that doesn't seem like much but any money i can take out of OPECs pocket is worth it to me. i also don't buy gas from any compainy that gets it from the middle east.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell............................ 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $70-$80+ a barrel)


Here are some large companies that
do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Citgo......................0 barrels
Sunoco...................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
BP/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0.....................0 barrels

im not sorry in this ofends anyone, we need to break the back our dependence on oil from the middle easet!
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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Really simple way to carry the acetone is a 3-4 ounce bottle of vanilla which is what I use or a small nylon bottle of nail polish remover which none of my lady friend ever remember to save for me. I swipe the credit card and while the pump is authorizing I dump in the acetone and then start pumping in the gasoline. I usually squirt in the torco GP7 before I leave for the gas station since the small amount I put in 2-3cc is not going to run down the filler pipe until the gasoline hits it and it is one less bottle to play with at the pump. I don't recommend carrying gasoline in the car since 1 cup is as explosive at a stick of TNT and can stink up the car pretty bad if it leaks. Acetone stays in the bottle pretty well and evaporates really clean and will not explode like gas will. It also burns really slowly with a clean blue flame and no smoke or smell. So far I have gone through about 3/4 of a gallon which I purchase at ACE for about $12.
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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nice thread!!!! We need more threads like this.

I've been getting 33-35 average w/ my manual w/ 15lbs 16" wheels. If I have my lighter weight 15" alloys on there, I'd prob. get 1 more mpg better. I'll be gauging this difference here soon.. since I just bought a Scanguage2~~~~@@!!!

I always put in 87 octane from either Shell or Chevron(from what I've read they use the most detergents then any other gas/oil company... even though here in Cali. w/stringent SMOG regulations placed on all gas stations... pretty much all gas stations use a recipet/cocktail mix of fuel that burns the cleanest for the environment.

From what I understand, w/ the 87 vs. 91 octane difference ... basically put in what your car calls for . Since all modern day vehicles have a knock sensor... in our rides 87 octane should suffice + its faster burning then say a 91 octane. If you have a MR2 turbo.. and it calls for 91 octane, put in 91. We had a 1985 MR2 that NEEDED 89+ or better gas... and if you put in 87 it would sputter, and simply not run
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I got the measuring cup. I also found a glass 11 oz bottle. I put a strip of masking tape on the side and measured off in oz increments. I need to use it while I'm on the road with my van which usually takes around 20-25 gallons when I fill it. I'll just estimate how much acetone I'll need prior to pumping. Add it in and let it mix while rolling down the road.
I found out how hard this stuff is to puor so I'm using a small funnel when adding it to the tank so as not to spill any.
My mpgs in the van were only 15 and if I can raise it only a few it will be awsome. Thanks again and I'll report back when I have some data.
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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fill to the first click then you know how much acetone to add then top it off with a little more gas. In my xB it can take another gallon after the first click if you keep pumping it slow.
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 01:35 AM
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2004 auto xB, 26mpg city, somewhere around 31 highway. I noticed my mpg drop after an oil change at toyota sometime last year, and can't figure out what changed...
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 01:42 AM
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They used a cheep oil.
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 02:26 AM
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I gotta get some more small trans fluid funnels for adding the acetone without getting it on the paint in each vehicle. Otherwise I think I have all my bases covered.
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 02:34 AM
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i got my funnel at walmart for i think less then $1
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 02:37 AM
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Is it the orange one that's like 8 inches long?
Old Oct 20, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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yep
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 12:57 AM
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All stock 2006.5 xB, Automatic. No rear spoiler, Scion 15" alloy wheels with factory Good Year tires (32psi).

I usually get low 30s MPG. My best was a bit over 36MPG I do about 60% city driving. But fairly low traffic and almost no stop-and-go traffic.

On the highway I usually drive 65-70 MPH. Again, not too much traffic.

I use the cheapest 87 octane gas I can find. I use none of the silly snake oils or acetone.
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 01:24 AM
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snake oil?

im not offended, i just think its funny.
if you havent noticed "everyone" gets different MPG.

you should try one tank and see for yourself.
don't go buy any.... just ask a friend for a few oz and see what happens.
if you don't notice anything then go on about you life.
but if you notice the better MPG that everyone elts has then you will save a few $. never met "anyone" that didn't like saving a few $, but i could be wrong.
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 02:40 AM
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Yeah peteski like he said try some once and see because I get at least 38mpg and typically get in the low 40's all the time. And sure it's only 10 MORE MILES to a gallon and I only go a little over 400 miles per tank but I have gone over 500 miles on a tank when I am not making a lot of short little trips around town. And as far as cost well it's abour 35 cents for the additives per tank of gas.
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I noticed a slight increase in mpgs. Over 2 tankfulls I managed 32 mpgs with the 18" TRDS. That has never happened before. It was always like 28/29. So I guess it helps but not as much as I thought it would. Will have to wait and get a couple tank numbers with the steelies and see the true potential.
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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That's ok - I rather waste my gas!
As far as milage figures go, nobody here is doing any real scientific tests.

The only thing I would belive is if somone did a "real" test with and without the snake oils added where they drove the car over the identical course under the same weather conditons. And it would have to be an off-road track as traffic introduces undesired variances between each iteration. And of course the gasoline usage would have to be *accurately* measured. None of this "fill-up-til-it-clicks stuff. I'm really talking "scientific test".

I know how wildly my own milage varries. I could not reliably tell if the snake oil worked for me or not. Unless my milage figure would drasticaly and constantly jumped up by like 10 MPG.

But that's just me....

Also, what is the scientific explanation of how the milage is increased by things like acetone? What exactly happens inside of the engine? Are there any such explanations available?

And how come the acetone manufacturers aren't advertising this wonderful propery all over the media? Just think how much money they would make if every driver in USA started adding acetone to their gasoline! And then they could jack up the price of acetone too!

I just think that this is all just a big conspiracy!
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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i don't think id want to put snake oil in me car eather.
#1 i see no scientific proof that is even flamible.

some crazy preacher in north africa may drink it to cure the big C. but that doesn't mean it will help my car.
acualy im going to drill a small hole in my gas tank so that during the hot summer the evaperating gas will help push my car.

ok ok all joking aside............................
the scientific explanation of acetone is this:
it atomizes the gas better alowing it to mix and bond with the oxygen moleculses. oxygen is a big key to the workings of your engine but its only half. the better the gas mixes with the oxygen the better it will burn. acetone is also cold and lowers the temp of the cobustin chamber.

im not one for just dumping something in my gas tank.
i did a good month of reasearch befor even trying it.
im not a 15 year old kid with a gocart.
im a 31 year old man with a $15k inport with less then 15k miles.

did you even read the link that was posted.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/

its not snake oil, not even close.
Old Oct 24, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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Actually I have a 10 mile test loop that I have driven at least 50 times and have pretty consistant MPG readings all with cold starts. Adding the Acetone definately increased the miles per gallon well beyond the best run I had ever made before adding it. It does help the most at lower speeds since that is when the fuel needs more help to atomize since so little of it is being injected and the ignition of it is more critical to get it to burn completely in such small amounts. As far as it being advertized as a mileage booster all you have to do is look at the contents of some of the commercial gas additives that contain it. Don't knock it until you tried it!
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I have looked on the Web. Lou LaPointe mentions the surface tension reduction. But who is he? What are his credentials?

For every "pro" on the Web I can find equal amounts of "cons". Acetone is not for me. Especially if many of the "pro" posts also come from the same crowd which swears by Vornados and hi-flux magentic fuel aligners. Geez!

And as I mentioned before: if this was such a miracle milage booster with no side-effects, the acetone manufacturers would be pushing it like there was no tomorrow.

If it works for you - great! I'm ok not using it. OTOH, using propane as fuel makes a lot of sense.

And if I could only harness my flatulence to power my box, I would be all set for life....



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