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Old Aug 19, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jethro b
Blah blah blah. Apples and oranges. Not even close enough to try to compare the 2 of them. The fact that you pay more for less in the mini was enough to keep me away from one. Also you can't beat the Toyota reliability thing either.
Oh, I agree that it must be nice to be able to afford both of them. It's also not nice to rub our noses in it either. Everyone that has showed what they own are only being BRAGGERTS! IMOHO
That is an ABSOLUTE CROCK!!!!!
Though SOME may be bragging - I suspect most are just sharing a little bit about themselves on this forum of 'uncommon' interests.
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jethro b
Blah blah blah. Apples and oranges. Not even close enough to try to compare the 2 of them. The fact that you pay more for less in the mini was enough to keep me away from one. Also you can't beat the Toyota reliability thing either.
Oh, I agree that it must be nice to be able to afford both of them. It's also not nice to rub our noses in it either. Everyone that has showed what they own are only being BRAGGERTS! IMOHO
More for less? Let's see.. 170hp supercharged intercooled engine, independent rear suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, electronic brake distribution, xenon headlights, chrome trim (not plastic), limited slip diff, dual panel sunroof, awesome looking interior....
the thing handles like a go-kart... built by BMW and it has all the qualities... I find the mini to be a better bargain than the xB. I keep finding more things to like about the mini... for example... the key contains the remote entry functions... when the key is in the ignition, it charges the battery.
The go-kart like handling and the great torque really make for a fun drive. The mini is also uses thicker sheet metal and is built more solid. Thats why it costs more. but you get what you pay for. I still love the xB and plan on keeping it... but the mini runs circles around it.. no mods required.

As for apples and oranges... you are nothing but sour grapes..
talking about cars and sharing information is what the internet and forums is about. Seems to me you are nothing but a jealous whiner who is also ignorant. I'm sure your parents must be proud.
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ptmccain
FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way
FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... you must be ecstatic...
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by UnFocused
changing the subject from facts to cost.....

How much did the mini set you back. MRSP VS what you paid?
For god sakes, I dont want to argue, - just how much was your dam mini cooper s? did you get a lower deal than MSRP?
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by jethro b
Blah blah blah. Apples and oranges. Not even close enough to try to compare the 2 of them. The fact that you pay more for less in the mini was enough to keep me away from one. Also you can't beat the Toyota reliability thing either.
Oh, I agree that it must be nice to be able to afford both of them. It's also not nice to rub our noses in it either. Everyone that has showed what they own are only being BRAGGERTS! IMOHO
More for less? Let's see.. 170hp supercharged intercooled engine, independent rear suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, electronic brake distribution, xenon headlights, chrome trim (not plastic), limited slip diff, dual panel sunroof, awesome looking interior....
the thing handles like a go-kart... built by BMW and it has all the qualities... I find the mini to be a better bargain than the xB. I keep finding more things to like about the mini... for example... the key contains the remote entry functions... when the key is in the ignition, it charges the battery.
The go-kart like handling and the great torque really make for a fun drive. The mini is also uses thicker sheet metal and is built more solid. Thats why it costs more. but you get what you pay for. I still love the xB and plan on keeping it... but the mini runs circles around it.. no mods required.

As for apples and oranges... you are nothing but sour grapes..
talking about cars and sharing information is what the internet and forums is about. Seems to me you are nothing but a jealous whiner who is also ignorant. I'm sure your parents must be proud.
You just proved my point! The two vehicles are nothing alike so they are like comparing apples and oranges .
This site is about Scions plain and simple. It's a shame that the ones that can afford 2 new cars don't understand how it looks when they talk about how much they spent on both cars. It's bragging period.
If you want to show off other vehicles go and do it either in the other vehicle section and keep it out of the xB section or go show it off at a mini website. Sour grapes... PLEEEZE WOW must have struck a nerve to deserve such a personal attack on me. OH WELL!!! Deal with it!!!
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Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by ptmccain
FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way
FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... I must be ecstatic...
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 05:44 PM
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FACTS....


xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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aww ____
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jethro b
Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by ptmccain
FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way
FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... you must be ecstatic...
Jethro... go back to your trailer life and leave the car talk to folks with a brain. The only one on here bragging is you, brgging that you don't have a brain is nothing to be proud of.
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by McBain
Originally Posted by jethro b
Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by ptmccain
FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way
FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... I must be ecstatic...
Jethro... go back to your trailer life and leave the car talk to folks with a brain. The only one on here bragging is you, brgging that you don't have a brain is nothing to be proud of.
Thanks You just proved my point! Nuff Said
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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Enjoy your Mini Cooper. Love it to death. We are happy for you. It is a cute and cool little car. But do NOT come on a board dedicated to the Scion xB and post baloney about how you have as much interior room as an xB. That's just ridiculous!

If you enjoy shoehorning yourself into your "mini" car. Great! More power to you! Wonderful! Who cares!

But do NOT try to tell us all that the Mini is just as spacious and roomy as an xB.
Old Aug 19, 2005 | 11:54 PM
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actually...almost everyone agrees but you.
Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ptmccain
FACTS....


xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770
Hey, MORON- the xB has 33.5, the mini has 23.7 of Cargo capacity...
yep, facts are "stubborn things"....
Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Stuff as found from www.edmunds.com compare car feature.

xB has a $6720 cheaper MSRP.
Mini has 1 year better warrenty on everything but drivetrain. xB has 1 year more then Mini for this.
Mini has more interior color options.
Mini has more exterior color options.
Mini has .1L more engine displacement.
Mini has 65 more hp.
Mini has 61 more torque.
LSD on mini is a option.
xB seats 5 while mini only 4.
Mini has more airbags.
xB has a rated max cargo capacity 19cu ft more then the mini.
xB is rated with 6mpg better city driving.
xB is rated with 2mpg better highway driving.
xB can run on 87 octane.
both cars are the same width.
xB is 284LBs lighter then mini, but bigger in size.
xB has 7.3" more front head room.
xB has 8.1" more rear head room.
Mini has 2.3" more front shoulder room.
xB has 5.3" more rear shoulder room.
xB has 4" more front leg room.
xB has 6.7" more rear leg room.

So looking over that stuff, you pretty much get a car with a little more HP that will cost you more in the long run + more to buy. I would not mind a mini, if they sold for about $13k. For the sticker on a S you can get much faster cars.

Last, based on my zip code:

*Edmunds TCO (True Cost to Own) =
Mini Cooper S - $37,722 / $.50 per mile.
Scion xB - $28,108 / $.37 per mile.

*These numbers are just based on the average reported price for the listed cars. So the Mini S has a MSRP listed as $26k for my area & the xB has a $15,527.

Over all its just a bunch of numbers. It realy just breaks down to if you like it or not.

I cant find the site any more, but there was one that had a great break down of how leg room is measured. It was dependent on how far back in the seat one was. Then measured to the edge of the seat (following human leg curve over seat) once at the edge it was then like a 42* angle to the floor board. So some cars can have much more leg room then what they are rated for. A good example of this. Me seated in a mazda miata with a rated 42.8 in leg room with driver seat all the way back. My knees hit the dash & I get cramps in my hips. Me in my Focus ST (when I had it) 40.7 in. rated front leg room. Did not need seat all the way back & no problems with cramps or knees hitting dash.
Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Max
Originally Posted by SuperCrunchyAction
Must be nice to have money....
Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.
No what really ____es me off is people who go off over small simple comments that where not even directed at them. I know plenty of people who got GREAT grades and a Super Degree and are working at Walmart to make ends meet. So get off your high horse please.

I remember the time I was stuck driving a 15 year old car and thought the same thing as this guy. Then I finally got LUCKY and feel into a decent job and now I own a 2006 xB, 2005 RX8, and a 2004 SRT-4. Guess what? I barely Graduated High School and I have no kinda degree to speak of.....
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You guys need a judge and a court date.

Take it easy, we're all here b/c we love cars.
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chucksu
For the sticker on a S you can get much faster cars.
Yeah, like a SRT4 and a Cobalt SS
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 01:58 AM
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Hell if that 25+ grand price is correct then you can get an SRT4 for way kess and way faster!
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:29 AM
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I meant you could almost get both of them for the price of the S
Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:53 AM
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lol didnt catch that at all. good call!



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