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Old Apr 25, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaScion
Does not having the snorkel void the warranty? I'm sure it would, but anyone doing this get an earful from the dealer for doing it?
My guess would be no. If anything just claim it fell off and if they give you a hard time about it make them replace it with a new snorkle.
Another plan would be to just swiss cheese the snorkle by drilling huge holes all over it. That way it will officially still look like it's there doing it's job to the service techs.
Old Apr 26, 2008 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaScion
Does not having the snorkel void the warranty? I'm sure it would, but anyone doing this get an earful from the dealer for doing it?
Here we go again with the "does blah-blah-blah void the warranty?" I suppose ANY change you make to your car could possibly void some part of your warranty, but the dealer would have to show why your modification voided which part of the warranty that's being challenged. How removal of the snorkel would void any part of the warranty is beyond me. Ideas, anyone? Please be specific . . . .
Old Apr 26, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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just put it back on when you go to the dealership for service if you have to. it'll take only a few minutes....
Old Apr 27, 2008 | 06:23 AM
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My guess would be no. If anything just claim it fell off and if they give you a hard time about it make them replace it with a new snorkle.
Sounds bogus to me, this guy is spewing disinformation!
Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ICE4ROG
My guess would be no. If anything just claim it fell off and if they give you a hard time about it make them replace it with a new snorkle.
Sounds bogus to me, this guy is spewing disinformation!
You are jealous cause it works for me. That was how I got my Free lower grill piece. It was covered under warranty.
You must be more carefull about what you say. That way you won't look so foolish.
Old Apr 29, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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I removes the snorkel and got some improvement and now I have added this very low tech mod and it seemes to pick up some more power especially when it's hot (not like mega hp or anything-just seems a little smoother)







I've noticed that rain makes a big difference in my MPG-I'm assuming it's the extra drag from the water on the ground but ?
Old May 24, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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That was going to be my next question, How does the rain affect opperation? I'm going to take mine off for a month and see if I get any "big gains"
Old May 24, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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it won't be any legendary gains. it will just be a little bit more power as you get up above 3k rpm if you're hard on the gas and if you just drive economically you'll notice a slight boost in mpg maybe 1 or 2. that's all removing the snorkle did for me anyways.
Old May 25, 2008 | 02:26 AM
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I got a scan guage and I'm interested in taking mine of for a tank or two to see how it affects my MPG.
Old May 25, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Please do and let us know!
Old May 25, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Stay off dusty roads or you will have a really dirty filter real quick from the dirt the front wheel kicks up.
Old Jul 4, 2008 | 04:31 AM
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My car is slightly over 32,000 miles and I just got a fill-1/2 highway and 1/2 city and I got 37+MPG-I was so amazed I checked it like 3 times-always over 37-before this it would hover at 31+ a little-crazy!

That's with my pattened ram air replacing the snorkel (not really pattened)
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by greybox
I removes the snorkel and got some improvement and now I have added this very low tech mod and it seemes to pick up some more power especially when it's hot (not like mega hp or anything-just seems a little smoother)





I've noticed that rain makes a big difference in my MPG-I'm assuming it's the extra drag from the water on the ground but ?
I just took off my snorkel tonight Too early to see if there's any MPG gain, but I could sure use it. Having the A/C on here in Phoenix is murder on the mileage.

I'll see about doing some kind of cold air hose this weekend. How much are those K&N filters? Should I wait until after my 20k service coming up?
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 07:36 AM
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do know, using a K&N drop in kinda screws you in the behind after it saves your mileage. because you are spending nearly $50-60 for a new filter rather then 12 for a stock filter AND the K&N wears out faster because K&N uses a oil to help collect more impurities in the air then a normal filter thus clogging faster which decreases filter life span...

you want a good way of getting good air, use an Injen RAM or make your own intake similar to it. use a normal air cone and when it's dirty, take it out, clean it, dry it, stick it back on and you're good to go and works just as well and actually saves your money... you'll see the same mileage and waste alot less money getting it.

EDIT: i've had my snorkel piece off for some time now. no difference that i can tell other then a difference in intake noise which just makes the 1NZ more throaty sounding. the only reason why i would think it helps increase mileage is due to the snorkel's restrictive construction which could hinder mileage and power combined, obviously something that Toyota would find sacrificially acceptable to please that ONE sissy out there saying "oh the xB's engine is too noisy blah blah blah biz-nitch biz-nitch biz-nitch"...
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Winter
do know, using a K&N drop in kinda screws you in the behind after it saves your mileage. because you are spending nearly $50-60 for a new filter rather then 12 for a stock filter AND the K&N wears out faster because K&N uses a oil to help collect more impurities in the air then a normal filter thus clogging faster which decreases filter life span...

you want a good way of getting good air, use an Injen RAM or make your own intake similar to it. use a normal air cone and when it's dirty, take it out, clean it, dry it, stick it back on and you're good to go and works just as well and actually saves your money... you'll see the same mileage and waste alot less money getting it.
You can get a K&N for $35-40 .. it is possible. K&N wearing out faster?? I don't understand this statement. Faster then what? They have a million mile warrenty dude. Surprisingly, when a K&N or TRD drop in filter does get dirty, thats actually when it performs the best, since the contaminants act as a further filter. These reusable air filters are clean/washable ... no worries, take them out every 30-40K and clean them, let them sit to dry, then reapply the oil.. drop it back in the ride and roll.

On that Injen... are you speaking of a WAI ? Any CAI will for the most part decease mpg. A WAI like the Blitz , or something custom fabricated .. say using a K&N cone, etc. .... could be good to get more HP , however its presenting the engine with a larger surface area to suck in air into the throttle body. More air = more gas mixture = less mpg. If your easy.. easy on the foot, the WAI could be a good idea, if done right.
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Super-Stormtrooper07
hen a K&N or TRD drop in filter does get dirty, thats actually when it performs the best, since the contaminants act as a further filter. These reusable air filters are clean/washable ... no worries, take them out every 30-40K and clean them, let them sit to dry, then reapply the oil.. drop it back in the ride and roll.
um... where do you get that the contaminants act as a further filter at all? if anything that is only restricting air flow even more.

i wasn't aware of the million mile warranty, but i still don't see how a more restrictive *because of the oil* would increase mileage in any way. i could see some slight power increase because of the oil acting as an air cooling additive... but having the oil there only restricts the air flow more and that means the engine would have to compensate by using more fuel. i know people have their claims of increased mileage, it just doesn't make any sense at all.
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Winter
Originally Posted by Super-Stormtrooper07
hen a K&N or TRD drop in filter does get dirty, thats actually when it performs the best, since the contaminants act as a further filter. These reusable air filters are clean/washable ... no worries, take them out every 30-40K and clean them, let them sit to dry, then reapply the oil.. drop it back in the ride and roll.
um... where do you get that the contaminants act as a further filter at all? if anything that is only restricting air flow even more.
Exactly
More air = more gas
More gas = more $ spent at the pump
More gas consumed = OPEC nations love that

I wish we could get 200hp/torque , and 100 mpg .... if life was that simple.

In other words, its a F****** vicious cycle out there dude.
If you do one thing, it can knock everything else off kilter.
For every action, there is a reaction.
I dont know what else to say, other then life is complicated.. especially in these times we're living.
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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*sigh* nevermind... you don't get it. when there is less air flow, the ECU will compensate by using MORE fuel... a restrictive air flow does NOT yield higher mileage at all... an extremely dirty air filter is an example of that.

more air doe increase power, yes... but only if you MAKE that air go in I.E force induced. having a more direct to to an N/A air supply just means better throttle response which during acceleration MAY lead to lower mileage only because air flow is easily making it's way in, allowing the engine to perform at it's fullest but during cruising should yield little difference at most allowing the engine to run a lean burn and use LESS fuel...

EDIT: also, i'd like to clarify *just incase it is miss-understood* 100mpg does NOT mean 100% efficiency in anyway shape or form. 100% efficiency would be zero emissions whether it be carbon or purely water vapor, zero heat energy lose, zero drive-train power lose to the ground due to flexing parts. something that makes use of all energy sourced to it without lose of anything would be 100% efficiency.
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Winter
when there is less air flow, the ECU will compensate by using MORE fuel...
Sir, I believe you misspoke (mistyped? ;^) here. For optimal combustion, the ECU tries to keep the air-to-fuel ratio the same all the time, I believe. So when there is more air, the ECU will add more fuel; and when there is less air, the ECU will add less fuel. Or am I mistaken . . . ?
Old Jul 9, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Since the amount of gas injected into the engine is always proportioned to the amount of air going in, which is determined by the throttle plate opening, would not the gas consumption be ultimately decided by how hard you are pushing the gas pedal?



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