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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 10:49 PM
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I think people are missing the fact that it's ugly, and the fact that you'll see 10 of them when you walk around your block (figuratively speaking of course, but you get the idea).
Old Apr 6, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hayalex6
I think people are missing the fact that it's ugly, and the fact that you'll see 10 of them when you walk around your block (figuratively speaking of course, but you get the idea).
No offense, but it's your opinion that the Fit is ugly; it's by no means a fact. I happen to really like the looks.

And there's usually a reason there are tons of a certain kind of car on the road -- usually because they're good cars.

Plus, if you're Honda, don't you want to sell as many of these as possible? You're aiming for the broadest target out there for the most possible profit. The styling is more mainstream than the xB, so they'll probably sell more. Scion was looking for a low-cost image vehicle with the xB. They never intended to sell millions of them. This vehilce would be a gateway, if you will, into other Toyota-based models.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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Scions are intended to have few on the road. Because they didn't want to become like a Civic, Camry, or Accord, one of which you see over 5 times a day.

And no crap that it is my opinion the Fit is ugly, did you take that seriously?
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:52 AM
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ok let me start off by saying... hondas kill cats... that ids to say catalytic converters cuz v-tec opens valves longer meaning engine runs rich at high rpms leading to O2 sensors going bad and dead cats which mean big bux to spend... and the honda fit has v-tec stay away! it does give more power but itll cost u!
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by p2filz
ok let me start off by saying... hondas kill cats... that ids to say catalytic converters cuz v-tec opens valves longer meaning engine runs rich at high rpms leading to O2 sensors going bad and dead cats which mean big bux to spend... and the honda fit has v-tec stay away! it does give more power but itll cost u!

That is the most ridiculous crap I have ever heard. Seriously. Hondas are exceptionally reliable. The blind fanboy worship on this site is amazing.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hayalex6
Scions are intended to have few on the road. Because they didn't want to become like a Civic, Camry, or Accord, one of which you see over 5 times a day.
That isn't exactly true. Toyota's entire reasoning behind the Scion brand is to attract a younger, hipper audience. The previous median age of a Toyota buyer was in the low 50s, I believe. By offering limited-editions and funky, "different" designs, Scion has been able to attract a younger average-age buyer.

And no crap that it is my opinion the Fit is ugly, did you take that seriously?
No. I'm simply saying not everyone thinks the Fit is ugly.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by hayalex6
I think people are missing the fact that it's ugly, and the fact that you'll see 10 of them when you walk around your block (figuratively speaking of course, but you get the idea).
I love my box---but lets face it--most people think IT is ugly.............
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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What it comes down to is that looks are subject to opinion. There are a lot of people who find the xB just plain stupid looking. Ditto for the Fit. I personally happen to like both cars, and think each looks decent enough, but not overly stunning.

The bottom line here is that both cars share a lot of common ground to the point where it's largely personal preference that makes the difference.

- Honda and Toyota both built rock-solid quality cars that require little more than gas and oil to keep running at a very reasonable price.
- Both handle very well for front wheel drive. Not quite a Mini, but not bad at all.
- Both have amazing cargo area for a small package.
- Both are fairly spry for a small displacement engine thanks to a somewhat lightweight car.
- Both get good gas mileage.

I just don't understand those folks with blind bias who simply make up excuses or insert their opinion as fact in order to strengthen their argument about how bad one is over the other. A lot of those statements seem to come from people who are just caught up in hype and have put no thought into their stance at all.
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Originally Posted by Tech_Monkey
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ok let me start off by saying... hondas kill cats... that ids to say catalytic converters cuz v-tec opens valves longer meaning engine runs rich at high rpms leading to O2 sensors going bad and dead cats which mean big bux to spend... and the honda fit has v-tec stay away! it does give more power but itll cost u!

That is the most ridiculous crap I have ever heard. Seriously. Hondas are exceptionally reliable. The blind fanboy worship on this site is amazing.
im not kidding its true my aunts civic died at 60,000 miles. she was kinda happy too she didnt like it much, she didnt like the fact that now she had to replace the car with a new one...
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by edku822
I've been a fan of the xB for a couple years now even though I don't own one. Now that it's time for me to step up and get my own BOX, but I'm hearing about the Honda FIT. Car & Driver has the FIT #1 in this month's issue, but does not compare it to the xB. Looking at the specs looks like the FIT is a couple cubic foot smaller but has more safety features and has a more refined interior. Anyone compare the two? Comments?

Lots of FIT info here
http://honda-acura.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101
Check out fitfreak.net. Your best best is to hold out until you can test drive both. (which is exactly what I'm doing) The fit is due to arrive 4/20 at U.S. dealers, though the Canadians started seeing theirs a couple of weeks prior to their official release date. There's already one dealer in PA who supposedly got his first shipment in. From what I hear though, the Fit looks _much_ better in person than in picture, and the interior is definitely upscale to the xB. Also keep in mind that the Fit doesn't have the VSC like the xB does.
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Originally Posted by p2filz
im not kidding its true my aunts civic died at 60,000 miles. she was kinda happy too she didnt like it much, she didnt like the fact that now she had to replace the car with a new one...
As someone who's owned 5 Hondas prior to my current Sube, and spent a lot of time on the various forums, I'd have to say that your Aunt's experience is almost unheard of. Not saying it didn't happen that way. Anybody can get a lemon. Even from Honda or Toyota. The VTEC doesn't affect engine wear. Just look at all the 92 Prelude VTEC's and 91 CRXsthat are still running strong. More fall victim to rust than engine failure is even basic maintenance is followed. Not to mention that (aside from the S2000 IIRC) all the VTEC engines are now i-VTEC while spreads the cam shift over a broader spectrum, and not just suddenly turning on at 4500RPM. Didn't mean to slam your post, since you are speaking from something you've seen first-hand. However, I think if you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that your aunt's experience falls in the .000001% catagory.
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I agree with Tech_Monkey; between my wife and me, we've owned eight Hondas, and have never had any major problems, but it can happen with any brand.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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i have researched hondas and have come up withthat many people say their cats go bad... which shouldnt happen normally unless they run rich, which is the most common prob... cats are expensive, and having to replace them aint fun for that reason
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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its normally exhaust problems that i come across anywhere from o2 sensors back. here in CA it is a problem although many say that it doesnt bother them cuz it doesnt bother their state
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 04:50 AM
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Having been in a Fit, but not driving it... I can say that the interior quality is better than the Scion. the fit has the xB beat in every way except for utility, imo. Don't get me wrong, I love the xB... but after playing with the fit and getting back into my scion... it felt kinda lacking in terms of interior quality.

My accord had 242k on the original cat. The only problem was the automatic transmission TCC lockup was starting to give, which was partially my fault for loading the converter and racing. Of course I had an MSD 6A which may have helped emissions.
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sushiboy
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They can copy the cars all they want. What Toyota did that will not be duplicated is change the process of buying a car. Will I lose sales because we don't haggle? Absolutely. Will they lose sales because they try the old-school way of doing things that turn people off from the process entirely? Absolutely.

What Toyota did that was so special was introduce an entire new generation to an entirely new car with an entirely new way of doing things. The combination of all those things is what is so special.
It was Saturn that introduced the "no haggle" car sale method. However, they weren't necessarily aiming at the same target market, though.
Actually they were targeting the same crowd when they started. Remember the commercial about the guy that shows up to the college dorm and asks "Who ordered the new Saturn" as if it was a pizza delivery.
They went upscale with the additions of the higher end vehicles they have now.

Back to the Fit... It will be a nice vehicle no doubt as most Hondas are. I feel Hondas are to "appliance" like though. Scion people know what butters their toast though. Also Nissan is jumping into the mix with their version of the xA.
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Originally Posted by d114
the fit has the xB beat in every way except for utility, imo.
UMMM. You forgot 2 of the most important things that makes the xB rule the Fit. 1.Shape (cool factor)
2. Fun to drive attitude.
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sushiboy

And there's usually a reason there are tons of a certain kind of car on the road -- usually because they're good cars.
I dont know about that. My wife had a 2001 Grand Am and you could go to walmart and have to look at plates to find your car there were so many of them on the road, and they are NOT a good car in the least bit
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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I seen a yellow FIT at San Deigo HINs and it looks nice. The owner swapped the engine with a K20. I like the Fit, it looks like a Civic SI. I think the Fit is more of a racer car.
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 11:49 AM
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my friend owns a Fit in japan and i personali dont like the car.
i mean its honda, you can trust the quality
but im not just into that design.

for the first time in 20 years or so
fit beat the corolla in the sales of the year,( i think that was 2005)
its selling like crazy in japan.

but i guess fit has more things to accessolize than xa does.
im pretty sure it will be a hot ride if you pimp it out



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