you have to see the cars in person. pictures don't do it justice because i look at the pictures and the only ones that look good are the 5axis models. seeing the stock versions in person the new cars are truly amazing and i'm not saying that because i work for scion. both cars deserve the scion badge. our 2nd gen xB looks more like the 1st gen than the 2nd gen jdm model. its an evolution of the original B design. i've seen post where the rear of the xD reminds members of the dodge calibur, again wait until you see it person. you can't see the little details of the design until the car is in front of you. also, they look and feel more substantial than the 1st gens and you can't judge that by an on-line picture.

i'll give a great example of pictures don't do the car justice. the Lexus IS-F when i saw the detroit pictures i said was weird looking and ugly. when i saw it at chicago in "person" i was blown away. the car is not weird and ugly but wicked and aggressive. the car has that get out of my way look about it which is smart of lexus to do. they couldn't make it look like every other S, M or AMG model where there's subtle difference between the regular models. they needed their car to stand out and make people look and they hit the bulls eye with the new IS-F.

so, like i said wait until you see both in person and i guarantee you won't be dissappointed. its amazing a majority that were in miami loves the new cars but the majority of the people whose seen it on-line hate it.

 

I second that!

 

The deal breaker for me is the engine. If it was a 1.8L I could possibly overlook some of the design I have problems with, mainly the extended front end. Lots of people have mentioned the possibilty of both the 2.4 and 1.8L. Could you give a definitive answer one way or another about the engine?

 

Whats the price going to be? I want to have both. keep the gen1 and get the gen2. Price?

 

I liked the pictures but loved seeing the car. After looking at the competion I can hoestly say, no other car was this well designed. It looked as good as the hype lead up. I am really exited for April.
What I was disapointed in, I could not sit in the thing, no MPG info and many simple dimentions were left out.
Y?

 

2AZ-FE is a great motor and with the 2nd gen xB weighing in about 500+ more pounds than the 1st gen the 2AZ is the perfect choice. yes, you do give up a little on gas mileage but you make up for it on engine response on the freeway where the 1st gen would struggle to get going when loaded. gas mileage i would have to say would be in the mid 20's and low to 30's depending on how they gear the new xB. which should translate to 26-29mpg with most drivers. which is still great considering the trade off. you guys wanted more power and they gave it to you and now you can plug the trd s/c.

the car will weigh in low low 3000lb mark and if it was using the 1.8L in the xD it would make it even worse than the 1.5L in the 1st gen xB. not just in power but fuel economy.

 

The only thing I'm waiting on now is just knowing exact price, price on extras and gas information. The sooner I find out the sooner comes a deposit.

 

I agree. When you see it, you will love. At least I did...i even touched as it spun around. I plan on getting one...er... rather my wife is getting one

 

rumour has it being $1100 more.

 

 

the 1.5 felt stressed out when I drove it for a couple days, so the 2.4 was welcomed with a lump in my throat. I don't like buying gas, it gives me the creeps.
I'd love yo see a plugin for the 3rd gen. Not for $ saving. It's a matter of OPEC fat cats pulling the lever of the poor to poorer.
2nd gen mods should get serious about fuel conservation. That nav system can really help a lot for many people.
Next wednesday i'm putting $ down on the new b. It's not perfect, neither was the old b. I really dig the new thugish look. It's nothing like the HHR or the PT. I looked at both during the show and can be discribed as CRAMPED. My bro helped me out of the back seat of the hhr after some moved the front seat back.

 

What did I do now?

 

Except that the IS-F was one of the hottest things I've ever seen. In pictures. I will be at the show tomorrow, so I will see what happens...

 

I registered tonight to toss my two cents into the firestorm of derision mounting against the Mk2 xB.

I've driven a Mk1 xB and a Fit Sport within the last year while testing the waters for something to replace my DC4 Integra. I enjoyed the handling and agility of both of these cars, but I wasn't thrilled with the meager displacement / output.

With the Mk1 xB, 4K+ rpm at 75 mph got old fast... and in order to keep up with the usual pace of traffic out in the Valley, I found you had to whip the ____ out of the motor to be with the pack from light to light.

So when the news broke of the new xB, and of the tC's 2.4 litre mill replacing the old 1.6, I was all ears. More torque, more hp and the ability to tap into all the aftermarket R&D work put into the tC.

Without being courted for a focus group, the new xB starts to appeal to me now.

But then I come here (after lurking for a while) and a fair number of you guys are tearing the new car to shreds like rabid hyenas.

So, I've got 2 questions for the naysayers:

First, assuming most of you would buy a manual-trans Mk2, what guarantees that the gas mileage will be so awful? It's not like they've dropped a blown 454 cid V8 into the thing.

Secondly, what were you expecting given the Fuse and t2B? If anything less than a strict 2-box design was what you wanted... why wasn't there any vocal protest to Scion when these concepts came out?

I'm not really here to throw stones and stir things up, but I would like to hear a rational explanation behind all the vitriol. Scion is a very young brand and IMO it's still searching for an identity. So to hear from current xB owners that they've lost the plot is kind of odd.

Thanks for reading this long-winded blather.
Pardon me if I drifted a bit from the topic at hand. :o

 

just make sure to ask if the deposit is fully refundable if you change your mind.

you can tell if you like a car or not the first fifteen seconds you see it in person. there isn't that looks okay or only if they did that with me. when i saw the new highlander it was for me.

 

nothing! just the delivery of what you wrote. maybe it didn't make rofl, it did give me a giggle.

 

i cant help but to wonder if the price and the rest will be availible in the next few days. I say this only cause Troy from 5 Axis stated that he can give more info on the tweaks on the lip kits.

 

10-4 the refund heads up! I'll go in with an open mind and report back. I already feel like it's not 100/100 more like 90/100. So if they really jack the rate I'm buying a used b.

 

@ theotherdave

I can only speak for myself but what I found most appealing about the xB classic besides its unique styling was its practically and fuel effciency. I consider myself very environamentally conscience, so fuel efficiency is at the top of my list of things I look for in a car. I'm afraid the xB2 won't appeal to me for that reason. I won't trade in my VW for a car that gets worse mileage.

When it comes to styling of the xB2, some things about it are growing on me but I simply can't get over the longer front end. If they had kept it shorter like the t2b I would definitely like it alot more. The stock xB2 simply doesn't do it for me. I'm not big into tuning cars but it does look better with the bodykit and rims and lowering springs. Adding that, however, will most likely put the price of the car in the neighborhood of $20k. For that price there are many more cars that I would rather have. The 2008 Impreza hatchback looks great and would be in that price range. With roughly the same hp and arguably better fuel efficiency that would be a no-brainer for me. Again I'm not looking for a fast car, if I wanted a fast car I'd buy the 2008 evo X.

In my case, cars like the 08 nissan cube, 09 fit hybrid or the soon-to-be redesigned rabbit and others are simply better choices for me. I'm happy with the car I have for now so grabbing up a xB classic isn't really something I'm interested in doing. I like to plan things in advance and that's why I was looking foward to the new xB. I joined this site specifically to keep informed about the new model and unfortunately I was let down. I do think that the xD is a really nice looking car but I own a 4 dr. hatchback with comparable engine and efficiency but my car has way more features and is almost paid off. Trading in for the xD is also not something I'm interested in.

 

haha ok, i thought i did something dumb again.