Agreed. I like the 1st Gen xB a ton, but everything that kept me from buying one, they fixed in this 2nd Gen. More room in the back, 5 lug, more HP. I also think it looks much better than the 1st gen. I really dig the chopped look to it, it has a pimp 30's coupe look to me.

 

Well, you can say what you want about it being better looking in person. That doesn't change the cold hard facts that:

1. The engine is bigger, meaning the gas mileage blows now.

2. The cost will probably go up significantly.

3. The overall body is longer, wider & shorter.

4. The design is just OK. Its not that its a terrible design, its really not. But, its certainly lost that uniqueness that the original had.

5. The xB is no longer a practical car, no matter how you slice it.

And so on. But those things alone kill it for MANY people, especially fans of the original. Yeah, you could make the looks better with body kits & stuff, but its not gonna change those facts & it will make the price go way up as well.

Sorry, no dice.

 

LOL, you guys are crazy. Gas mileage blows with the 2.4L?? Most people are very happy with mid 20's mpg. Like the other guy said, it's not like they're dropping a big block in it.

 

4. The design is just OK. Its not that its a terrible design, its really not. But, its certainly lost that uniqueness that the original had.
bs, quitter.

 

Well, lets see. The new xB has the same exact engine that is in the current tC.

2006 Scion xB MPG rating: 31-City & 34 Highway
2006 Scion tC MPG rating: 23-City & 30 Highway

The 2008 Scion xB weighs more & is less aerodynamic than the tC, so it doesnt take a genius to figure out that MPG is gonna take a big hit. I will say its gonna be around 20-22 MPG in the city & around 27-29 MPG highway.

A 10 MPG drop from the last one in the city. Now, remember thats 10 less miles than you can drive with these new ones for EACH GALLON. Still think were crazy??

 

Well consider the fact that gas prices will be around $5 a gallon in about two years. You can call BS on that but gas prices are already like that in Europe. We are honestly lucky to still have gas prices at $2 and $3 a gallon now. So its not like they are droppng a V8 in it but some of us want fuel economy not mediocre power. If I wanted a fast car I would buy one. The xB2 will not be a fast car unless you drop thousands of dollars in aftermarket upgrades that wear down the engine prematurely. I think I speak for alot of people who are disappointed in the loss of a cool yet fuel effcient vehicle. They have the tC for a reason. That's for the people who want a sports coupe. They didn't need to change the one car that is a "Tokyo City Car," many people liked not only the looks but the idea behind it. Its something that I thought the American consumers were starting to grow acustomed to, but unfortunately I think I was mistaken.

 

Amen!!

And no, you weren't mistaken. Americans still desperately want cars like this. Super cool but super practical cars that get awesome gas mileage that are small on the outside but roomy on the inside with funky & unique styling, all while being affordable both to purchase AND to own. We will just have to look elsewhere to get our next rides.

Unfortunately, its Scion who was mistaken. Its a shame too. They totally had that market, but blew it with these new models.

 

I'm not at all sure anyone believed that Scion was going to be THAT different than the usual car company: We've seen many concept cars that never made it remotely near production no matter how long one waited and anticipated.

That Scion not only brought to production a vehicle VERY close to their concept car, but in under two years, is phenomenal!

The xB2 will be a strong seller and will deserve it's success - it is specifically designed to answer the complaints/suggestions of dissatisfied xB Classic owners, and those who wouldn't buy the xB because of perceived shortcomings.

Those points have all been answered. The once dissatisfied should now be satisfied, and it is amazing that Scion listened so well!

The problem now is for all those who WERE satisfied and very pleased with their xB Classics: That entire class of car is now no longer available in the United States, and replacing their boxes when they need replacement isn't possible.

I'm NOT against the xB2 (except for its usurpation of the box's name), I'm simply disappointed and worried about where I can go from my box. There is no path out of this woods.

If anyone is actually interested, my comments are here: http://www.tijil.org/blog/?p=24

Tom

 

there is a path...

keep your xB and hope something Scion puts out works for you...

or

sell your xB and go to a different company...

it's funny that the majority of the bi*ching is from people that haven't seen it...

Tomas...I'm sorry but all the complaining in the world isn't going to suddenly cause Scion to drop this whole new model idea and revert back to whats safe...thats not Scions way...

the scion grew by a foot trust me in saying that is not that much of a difference it is still 10 inches shorter than an HHR and I have no problems driving and parking one of them

-wC

 

As my daughter said, "Oh, it looks like a mini van".

 

I don't view it as that much of a problem to keep xB1, for those of us that own them. People are acting like they will HAVE to trade them in for something else. If you like it alot, and bought it new, and took good care of it, it should last 200k. At that point you can pay 3-4k and have the engine rebuilt (for performance -if you want)

I'm driving around during summers in a 27 year old bimmer, I bought used. I'm not sitting there b!tching about BMW not making them like they used to....

You just go out and by the used car that has the styling that appeals to you.

 

We get it. You have said it many times. Maybe your daughter likes mini vans? Maybe she likes 2.4L engines? Maybe she likes a bigger xB so she can store more Dora the Explorer toys? I honestly dont think anybody's not going to buy the car because of your daughter's comment, except maybe you. Sorry about the comment, I'm sick of reading that post in every thread.

 

+1

-wC

 

when they surveyed 06 B owners that bought the car there were three customer profiles. 1: i got it for the styling 2: i got it for the room inside 3: i got it cause of the mpg. profile 2 and 3 were very similar as to why they got the B in the first place and 1 had mileage at or near the bottom of their list "as to why".

i agree that with larger engine it might dissuade people from buying the B but that's why they made the D roomier without making it any longer than A but with similar mileage. the new B will still have that praticallity but with more power, more cargo capacity while still having that unique B look and most important better emissions with 2AZ.


that's why i said wait until you see it person. you won't need a body kit or have it lowered to make it look good. all the new B needs is the upgraded factory 16" alloys and it changes the whole look of the car. the car is wider and slightly lower with wider stock tires than the 1st gen. the car looks more agressive froma sporty stand point than the 1st gen.

i'am very picky when it comes to styling on cars. i don't like rice rocket looks ( kits, wings and splitters). i prefer the clean look with a slight drop with alloys and the new B has it. you don't have to worry about spending $20k to make the new B look good.

 

there's a reason for that. the B in japan are called micro-buses which the american translation would be micro-van. we have vans, mini-vans and the B minus the sliding doors is essentially a micro-van.

but from a styling stand point it looks less bus or van like because its still short dimension wise with a wider lower look. to give the 1st gen the same agressive sporty look people had to lower or slam them with 18". the stock B2 has that look already just by adding factory alloys. why?

Overall length: 167.3 vs 155.3

Overall width: 69.3 vs 66.5

Overall height: 62.6 vs 64.6

Wheelbase: 102.4 vs 98.4

length: a foot longer would translate to a bigger car but in person the car still looks tiny because of the use of contours and angles in the design.

width: the car from the front or back looks like it can carve a mountain pass and with 205/55-16 series tires it looks like it can. cars that had that same set-up rsx type-s and last gen prelude.

height: this is what gives it an aggressive look along with the wider track. that's why i said most people don't need to slam the B2 because of three things. the width, height and stock tire size. trust me it looks sporty with just the upgraded factory wheels

wheelbase: 102.4" , 167.3" and you get overhangs that are really short to give it a great looking strong side profile.

 

Seriously. If all the guys complaining like their 1st gen so much, why don't they just keep it. What's stopping you guys from keeping your 1st gen for 10+ years and being happy?

 

wish i had access to the pictures we took but this is the only i could find with the factory alloys. 205/55-16 is good choice for the dimensions of the B2. the person that took the pic was lower than the car so you can't really judge the wheel and tire gap to well.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-scion-xb/155124/

 

like i said a majority of the people whose seen it miami and chicago likes the car but the people whose only seen internet pics don't. why? that's why the topic is titled "Just Wait".

 

I'm not getting the MPG comments. I drove an RS1 for about 2 years. I never saw MPG over 25.

Most of my driving was mixed (first 3 miles in town, next 10+ on the highway, twice a day). No matter how nice I drove it it wouldn't break 25mpg.

This one looks like it might be a little better aerodynamically, so even with a bigger engine it should be in the same ballpark for miles per gallon.

Just seems like a lot of people are talking a lot of crap about a part of the car no ones been able to test. A bigger engine does not always mean worse mpg.

If it takes the engine less work to get to speed, and can maintain it at a more even RPM, then it could get better MPG.

Will it? No clue, I haven't driven one. But I couldn't stand the way the old XB looked until I actually went and drove one. The test drive was what changed my mind. Up to that moment I did't get it and saw no reason to get one.

I've since sold my xB. I've had a few cars since but I still miss it. It wasn't practical, it wasn't fast, it got good, but not great, gas mileage. But it was a fun car.

Would I trade my S in for an xB2? Probably not. But, depending on how the test drive goes, it might look good next to it in the driveway.

 

You can buy a replacement engine for $500, no need to spend thousands:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=200055620321



As far as mileage, there are WAY more factors than just the engine and aerodynamics.


Gearing, rotating mass, rolling resistance of the tires, and more all come into play.


Also who says the xB is less aerodynamic than the tC? Want to see one of the most aerodynamic concepts in a LONG time? http://www.speedace.info/speedace_im...t_car_2005.jpg


Does not look very aerodynamic does it?


There are many BIG, HEAVY, Sedans with V8 power that get high 20's in highway mileage. They have very large engines, yet they still get good mileage..... how could that be?


The 2.5L 4 cyl in a Jeep wrangler (not the newly redesigned ones, but the 97-2006 TJ's) gets less mileage than a 4.0L I6.... Why? Because the 6 does not have to be driven as hard to get you where you are going. It turns lower rpm's when cruising. You get more torque, more hp and better gas mileage.... What is the tradeoff? Cost. Also I am talking real world mileage, not the silly EPA crap.


Take a look at the 07 Rav4's. Check the mileage between the 4 cyl and the 6 cyl. Yet another stunning example that bigger engines are not automatically lower mileage.


Now one thing to warn about, EPA is revising the way they calculate mileage for window stickers starting with 2008 models. This will cause the majority of models to show lower mileage, even if there are no changes to the car. For example say the 2007 prius is the exact same as the 2008 prius mechanically. The 2008 window sticker may show mileage as much as 40% lower due to the changes in calculation. See here for more info: http://www.mileagewillvary.com/


This new xB may be more expensive, but people are shooting wildly into the dark with speculations on mileage.


Take a look around the 1st gen owners lounge. How many threads do you see with people disappointed with the mileage of their xB? How many people are AVERAGING less than 25 mpg? Why do you think this is? My guess is city driving and trying to keep up with traffic. I am lucky in that my commute is all on 2 lane highways where I cruise at 60 mph for 20 miles at a time. I average close to 30 mpg with mixed driving.


I am willing to sacrifice 2-5mpg to get the added cargo space, map lights, more power, cruise control and many more features.


Lets take another parallel. My wife has a 2006 AWD Honda element. it has a 2.4l. Even with AWD she averages 22-23 mpg. Her element weighs over 1000 lbs more than the current xB. Do you really think that the new xB will get less mileage than that?



All you guys are quick to criticize, but like the original poster said.... Just wait!


I am looking forward to next weekend when I catch it at the auto show. And i am looking forward to test driving both the stick and the auto.


I am looking forward to seeing pricing, (especially the 5 axis version!)


I am very excited. About the only complaint I have so far is that the single offset reverse light is kinda funky.