It finally happened .........

Speed magazine's final issue has a comparison betwen the two

Its pretty good but the tC has every option known to man on it and is up at the $25,000 mark and is then critised for price???!!!

It seems the Si edges ahead in performance but mainly in handling as the tC has a softer ride.

It is not up on the website yet so you will have to part with your cash.

 

Someone get a scan of this?

 

overall verdict?

 

Finally

 

im dying to read this

 

this is going to be a fun thread. I am going to find the magazine at lunch.

 

Sorry, I didn't post the conclusion.

They prefer the Si. But they liked the tCs "euro" styling and critised the interior for having a wierd dash board material?

The article has a blurb on the first page saying "this wasn't even close!!!"

Then the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile times are almost identical.

The article doesnt have a clear winner, Then they declare it's a landslide for the Si

I cry B.S.

sure the Si is a bit more performance orientated but its still under 200 horse.
Which makes me think some people don't know the difference between a sporty car and a SPORTS car.

When I eventually sell my tC(when my wife graduates and adds another income to the house) I will not buy a Si. there is a letter missing.

STI is next on the scotsmans list.

I LOVE MY TC AND NO STOOPID RICER FROM CIVIC NATION WILL CHANGE THAT!!!

ps when I get the scooby I will need a commuter and will probably buy an xB coz I'd miss you guys.

 

damn! just went down to schnucks and they didn't have it!

 

The conclusion seems to be based on subjective opinion in this case. That's fine since most car mags do this to a certain extent. Drive one and get your own comparison because mag racing isn't always the best indicator of cars.

 

Subjective.


In addition, the vast majority of users will NOT be buying the supercharger, so I question the fairness of the review. The TRD supercharger itself is NOT a tC-specific application... it's available for a wide range of toyota models and has been since the late 90's !


There should be zero comparison between an aftermarket-modified car and a stock car. If mugen came out with a supercharger, then people would be comparing the new Si against the 350Z, etc... when in fact, there is no reason for comparison otherwise.

 

Based on just numbers that the SC tC puts down compared to the SI there shouldn't be any contest.
The si weighs less than 40 lbs than the tC and has no where near the torque the sc tC has. Even the LSD can't make up for a 60 ft/lb torque deficit at the wheels.
The SI also hits all that "power" at 4500+ rpm.
To be honest a SI owner and a tC owner need to meet at a track.

 

now respect the press, and get your own issue of SPEED

haha i get everything with the tc on their story

 

Thanks, intakeonly. I think mags like these are very skewed towards Honda..

 

You do have to admit, the dashboard material is pretty weird. You have to realize, sometimes people are very picky. They may choose one car over the other because of the style of gauges or interior material.

To be honest, I almost waited for the Si. The only reason I didn't was because I drive a lot in the city and was tired of the manual tranny in my Srt-4 (very very rough).

If I could do it over again, I would wait for the Si, test drive it and see if the 6,000 - 8,000 rpms worth of Vtec is really worth it. After that I would have to get over the "econo car" look in the front where the hood meets seamlessly with the windshield ... that still sort of throws me off, and the futuristic yet functional interior design.

 

In that picture, I can see the fogs, upgrade rims, and the ground effects. I'm guessing they figure that into the final price of the car. There's about three thousand dollars that are unnecessary right there. I don't want to sound like the tc guy that just can't stand to be beaten by a civic......but I am that tc guy that doesn't want to be beaten by a civic. Why couldn't they have done a review with the only tC accessories being the supercharger?

It's biased bullsh*t...........

 

Exactly. They could have added the vic 18 inch wheels (Wich would have affected performance) and the OEM lip kit along with all the other bells and whistles but they didn't.

I don't know if they did or didn't. But I don't think they added any of the real performance stuff except for the supercharger. IE the TRD Clutch, TRD SHocks/struts, Springs, swaybar.
PFFT IMO a sports compact enthusiast would have gotten those options b4 they got the spiffy interior lighting and other useless items

 

I think the Si will be a totally fun car. But because there is so little torque, you will need to constantly keep shifting the car to keep it in its upper range. That will get tiring after a while. City driving will be a nightmare.

I hope that mag criticized the Si's interior too. What a stupid design. The steering wheel blocks the speedometer.

 

A thought worth considering: Car magazines are part of the media and the content is dependent on writers, or sometimes even journalists. Unfortunately, neither have much credibility with the American public! Lets face it, its big business, tempted by too much money and other external pressures for their agenda to be geared toward the American consumer. I still read them all, because, lets face it, its still interesting stuff! This is just my opinion, and like a**holes, everybodys got one!

 

I guess smokey wanted to get his point across

 

Actually, I test drove a EX coupe which has the same basic interior and the steering doesnt block the view of the speedometer. The double dash puts the speedo up higher and in plain view and the lower section also misses the steering wheel. Personally the test drive left me with a very good feeling. Compared to my sisters 99 civic EX they greatly improved the steering, handling, and acceleration. Not to mention the sleek design. For me its a close call. I like both the Tc and the Si but the price tag is the ultimate decider for me. I think i'm going Tc and I like the exterior more on the tc. just my 2c. later.