Just because Scion/Lexus didn't have the pedal problem, doesn't mean they weren't unaffected. Everyone knows Scion = Toyota = Lexus, to a certain extent. So people think "Oh if Toyota had this problem, and Lexus is owned by Toyota, Lexus must have it too," without even looking deep into it. I used to own a Dodge Dakota, worst vehicle I've ever owned. Because of that truck, I won't buy another Dodge. And I won't stop there, I'll never buy a Chrysler either.

Bad experiences stick with people more than good ones, and Toyota's been dishing out quite a lot of recalls lately. Unless they figure something out, you can expect them to plummet back to #3, with Hyundai knocking on the door @ #4. Yes, Hyundai will be #4 very soon. 2008 was a good year for them in sales, 2009 was even better, despite the recession, and now they're increasing sales even more. They have a better lineup than Toyota, a better warranty, and more reliable cars. Yes, I said more reliable than Toyota.

 

not completely true. Lexus has bin affected by this. its was in the new last night car accident in a Lexus killed 4 due to what they suspect was the gas pedal...i also believe there was a phone call audio clip of the driver screaming that he couldn't stop. im gonna see if i can find it

 

That Lexus accident was the floor mat issue, not the gas pedal sticking. They are two completely separate problems.

 

must of missed that... my bad

 

Yeah, two separate recalls that caused the same problem lol.

 

on a side note...if i could change the tC to a throttle cable style i would do in a heart beat..i know its not on the list of recall but i still don't trust it

 

DBW is more reliable then cable throttles ever were.

Well, that is until Toyota decided to attempt to kill 2.3 million people.

 

Im sorry but your an idiot if you get a gas pedal stuck with a floor mat. Simple reach down pull it out. Its a thin piece of carpet. You can still keep your eye on the road if you reach down. And im sorry but the floor mat wouldnt make it so you cant use the brake pedal. Idiots!!

 

You must have insanely long arms if you can reach the gas pedal while still keeping your eyes on the road.

 

lol.^^

 

The 1gen xB floor mats have two grommets in them at the back and two hooks mounted to the floor to hold it in place. A bit of a pain to take them out to clean but it never gets out of place. Does the tC not have this? Love my 1NZ-FE throttle cable too . if people read a bit more about this, it's a design decision issue on driver control vs. safety. Some companies with electronic control have a fail-safe built in where if the brake and gas pedal are both pressed, the brake takes priority and the throttle signal is ignored. Along with Toyota, Nissan also doesn't do this. Their counter-argument is that by building in an override, you are making the car respond different than the driver may intend, i.e. if they really are pushing both pedals, there may be certain circumstances where that is the desired mode of operation, and the nanny box takes that away. The root cause though is a stuck actuator giving a false throttle signal and the supplier, CTS, only has Toyota as 3% of their business, so they really don't care. Before anyone goes bashing cheap Chinese manufacturing, they're in Indiana.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...any-customers/

Here's the recall list for those curious:

Toyota’s accelerator pedal recall and suspension of sales is confined to the following Toyota Division vehicles:

* Certain 2009-2010 RAV4,
* Certain 2009-2010 Corolla,
* 2009-2010 Matrix,
* 2005-2010 Avalon,
* Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
* Certain 2010 Highlander,
* 2007-2010 Tundra,
* 2008-2010 Sequoia

Highlander hybrids and Camry hybrids are not affected by this action and will remain for sale.

Further, Camry, RAV 4, Corolla and Highlander vehicles with VINs that begin with "J" are not affected.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/t...ns-153312.aspx

Since all Scions are built in Japan, I doubt they're using the IN supplier for their gas petals, and since other suppliers making the same design don't have this issue, it's probably safe to say that any Toyota, lexus or Scion coming from Japan is not going to have this problem.

 

wrong.. VW is number one
http://rumors.automobilemag.com/6575...rer/index.html

 

no Verizon isnt making the iphone.

 

VW has this due to the problems Audi had

 

I think every single Scion owner is tired of the "rumor this...and rumor that". Especially when it comes to what's gonna happen to the tC.

If 31/March is the reveal date, I'd be a bit surprised. I was talking with a friend of mine that is in Scion sales and stated they had not been given any info like that. And if Scion is truly planning a redesign he said he would think that it would be later in the model year before they do the reveal.... b/c if it's drastically different then it would be very difficult for Toyota/Scion dealers to sell the remaining new 2010's...saying that a lot of people would just wait for the new design. Which I think he has a very valid point. But it's really all just best guess until it actually happens.

And personally for me, unless a redesign completely blows my socks off... I'm happy with keeping my 08 tC. I've already got a decent chunk invested in modding...and hell I've only put 7K miles on it since I bought it new in 2008.

Just wanted to quote this little part of what you said.... to verify... the answer is "yes". The tC does have the same feature to keep the OEM front floormats in place as you mentioned in the 1st gen B.

And from a friend of mine that is in Scion sales said that it's more than just the mats getting in the way. He said the recall is for the mechanism itself that has been deemed faulty in some of the models you listed as being part of the recall.
LOL .... just goes to show that cars like our Scions... 100% parts made in Japan is still the way to go...

 

Too bad their US sales are lower than Kia lol.

 

I am German.... and most German vehicles are built pretty well. I don't know what kind of crap they've been sending over here the past few years. The reliability of models like the Jetta is an utter disgrace. And the engine compartments are so small (close clearances w/the engine, etc.) that it makes them a total PITA to work on yourself. Just IMHO... nice styling, nice features, reliability - not so hot.

 

and the F-series is #1
And Chevy pickup #2
Honda Accord #3
can't fix stupid

 

we will see I have 100,000 bumper to bumper

 

I wouldn't exactly call buying a Kia stupid. Comparing the Forte Koup to the tC...the Koup is the better car in almost every aspect possible.