LOL SRT-4 You would have to buy 4 of those before you replace a toyota or a honda.

 

You sir are an idiot. Where do you get your numbers from. the i posted already that just going by what I know about the Vic, it should be around 15.3-15.5 in the 1/4. It won't be faster than a type S not by a long shot do to its crappey torque, and being a fat ___. You are definitly a fanboi. another civic ricer. The SI is an over priced honda car like all the Civics out there and the ONLY thing it has on the RSX-S is the LSD, and even with the LSD the RSX-S puts down better numbers for the same price. R you calling me a fanboi cause I am trying to knock some sense into Hontards and buy the better all around car (RSX-S) over the over-priced Civic SI? Buy wtf you want. The 06 si is just something that fanbois like to drool over cause they see "Civic" and 197 hp in the same sentence. The type S is a clearly better performer, with better power output. weighs less, and cost the same. So you either have to be a: an idiot, or B: a Civic Fanboi. So it seems you obviously don't consider yourself a fanboi. By process of elimination you have to be A: an idiot.

 

Calling people names on here doesnt help. Doesnt add to the conversation in a positive way and makes the mods get angry and lock the thread.

 

Here is where I got my 60 times.. now show me where you got your numbers.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehi...184.A9179.html

 

http://www.intellichoice.com/reports...Scion/model/tC

Says here the Tc goes 0-60 in 8 sec. and the 1/4 in 15.9. These slow Tc times are as conservative and accurate as the Si numbers you quoted.

I never said the Si is faster then the RSX-S. You do know with a good driver the type
S can hit high 14s. Can you please site where I said the Si will be faster.

You said the Si and the RSX-S costs the same. Where did you get this information from? If you would be kind enough to tell me where I can buy a new RSX-S for 20k I will buy one TODAY.

If you go to the news stand there is a magazine article about the Si. The author owns a RSX-S and says the Si has slightly better handling then the RSX-S. I am sorry if you feel handling is a ricer argument.

Your posts suggests you have some personal vendetta against Civics. Please seek professional help.

Above all enjoy your Tc. You have a good car.

 

You can't read sir. WIch again proves B. that Site quoted HONDA on what the civic SI can do. If you think you can buy an SI for 20k your dreaming. the EX cost 19, and from past knowledge the SIs are 3-4 thousand above EX msrp. And like I said. the ONLY thing the Si has over the RSX is the LSD wich would explain the better corners. Now go back and read over some stuff then come back with an informed statement. You said "The new Si will do the 1/4 in looow 15s or just barely be in the 14s" Now I don't know about others, but there is no mention of good driver.. average driver. You said the Si will do those numbers. A good driver can get high 14s, and average driver low to mid 15s in an rsx-s. And since the SI as quoted by honda, does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. I gave the SI the benefit of the doubt and said it did it faster than the tC since tCs have been timed at 7.4 in 0-60. Since the low torque and weight disadvantage of the Si and the extra shift needed to get up to 60 MPH (Note the older civics wich were not 6 spd acheived 60 mph in 2nd gear) I don't see a 7.5 60 to be way off. I also gave the vic half a second to an average tC 1/4 mile of 15.8 by saying the Civic will do the 1/4 in probably 15.3-15.5. I think most people mis understand me by bashing this new civic. But you people got to get your heads out and see that this car is way over priced and hyped up. Buy a scion.. buy a toyota... Buy a honda. heck I don't care, but do the sensible thing and don't buy a car just because it says Civic on it. That is one of the biggest ricer things. Buying a car cause its a civic....

 

yeah no need for name calling, its just a simple argument.

check this
http://vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=398939

the rsx-s is a better vehicle but it only has 4hp and 1tq more. So how is the type s a better motor??

 

4hp, 1 lb/ft torque, and 37 lbs lighter. With all you guys agreeing the RSX is better why the heck are you even considering a SI? the RSX looks better, out performs.. cost the same. give or take 1 thousand dollars.

 

And as for the name calling. A guy in a real bad movie once said "Its no insult to say a dead man is dead."

 

Honda said the Si will be under 20K. Even if I pay over MSRP and pay an even 20K that is still considerably less then the RSX-S.

You gave the Si the benifit of the doubt and said it is barely faster then the Tc. That is mighty big of you.


No one here expressed buying a Civic only because it is a Civic. Buying a Tc because it is not a Civic is as bad as someone buying a Civic only because it is a Civic.

I am not a Civic owner and have never been a Civic owner. I drive a Prelude which IM not so HO is a better car in all respects to the Tc and in some respects to the Si. I was originally looking at the Tc as a replacement but am now considering either a RSX-S or 06 Si.

Its a beautifull day here in SoCal. I think I will take my Prelude out for a spin. If you you are lucky enough to be enjoying good weather I suggest you do the same in your Tc.

P.S. Please mix in some paragraphs and a dictionary in your posts. Reading your posts has given me a headache.

 

I have owned three different civics, 92 hatch 94 coupe and a 95 hatch. i love the cars. The rsx is a bad a$$ car but 2-3000 more than the si, if it sells for 20k.

 

Uh, no, we'll see how it TRULY does once the car comes out.

i like how you automatically label all hondas as overpriced, so...there goes your bias.

What's with all the hate towards honda, anyways? Toyota and honda are nearly the same thing, so calling honda overpriced is just like saying the same thing for toyota.

The type S is not clearly the better performer, and we don't know how much it costs.

By the way, the civic si seems to be putting out around 180ish whp, and with an LSD and an additional 100 lbs over the RSX-S, I think they are similar in performance, really. And I'm guessing the pricing of the civic should be at most low 20's...so it would be a pretty good alternative to the RSX-S.

like i said before, we can find out how the car truly performs once it is actually out.

 

Gotta love misinformed people

The SRT-4 is almost entirely different from the Neon, except maybe the outer looks and crappy interior.

Guess what? That ____box of a car will run absolute circles in every aspect of performance around your tC.

We're talking about strictly performance bang per buck, can you tell me how the tC compares in any way to the SRT-4? I never said that the SRT-4 is a better car, period, I said that SRT-4 is the way to go if you want a fast car for the money. And actually from what I've read from srtforums.com, they are doing quite well in terms of reliability.

You're like the fanboys on our forum when regarding the SRT-4..."it'll fall apart before it finishes the 1/4" or something. So while you're racing someone, you can use your hand and feel the nice, tight, good material build quality of your tC while the other person in his SRT-4 smokes you

 

 

Yes the neon is a faster car i agree......imo its not very appealing to me.

 

 

I never told anyone to buy a tC cause its not a Vic, as a matter of Fact I told you to buy an RSX-S instead of a Civic.

.5 seconds in 1/4 is more than barely faster.

After Price release of the DX - EX models you still think the SI will be under 20k?

And as for the pricing of honda cars. yes the are very overpriced.
Toyota are overpriced vehicles too. Scions are not though. Or maybe they are and don't seem to be in a market flooded with over priced vehicles.

180ish hp.. on a Hub dyno.. I've seen those posts too. I could be wrong.. maybe It wasn't a hub dyno, didn't read much just skimmed. But if the SI is rated 197 crank HP and has 180 whp.. thats what less than a 10% drivetrain loss with a LSD. the SI weighs 37 lbs over the RSX-S. They are close in performance. But the RSX looks better and has more refinements. Leather interior etc. The RSX-S is a better buy and a better performer. Perhaps not in the twisties.

 

Like I said before, we don't know what the civic is truly capable of until it comes out, and people are able to actually run it at the track.

Are you saying that an increase in 40 hp, getting an lsd and only offsetting performance by 100ish lbs is going to only increase the 1/4 time by only a few more tenths in the 1/4?

Actually, on a hub dyno, it dynos somewhere in the 200-210 range, but that's crazy talk and I don't really know much about that. However, recently there has been a dyno and it got around 180ish whp, not hub.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showpost.p...49&postcount=1

Okay...or we could look at this another way. the RSX-S can run high 14's. the civic si's motor is really...the same as the 05 RSX one, except a few minor tweaks, like a balancer shaft which may explain the 4 hp difference between 197 hp and 201 hp. The RSX is only 100 lbs lighter than the civic, and the civic has an lsd. The acceleration times between the two should be very comparable, in my opinion.

 

Actually the 06 Si is less than 50 lbs heavier than the RSX, not 100. Straight line performance should be very similar between the two.

Handling should be better in the Si due to LSD and a better suspension.

On paper, I see the performance of the two cars being very similar. I dont think you can claim that the RSX is a "better buy and a better performer" outright, especially without even driving the Si. The folks at edmunds.com even said:
"Save the cash. When the Si hits this fall, the only folks still buying the Acura [RSX] will be the badge-conscious and lovers of leather seats. Their issues, their loss. "

 

I've stated exaclty how much heavier the civic SI is. 37 lbs.

With the incredible 9% drivetrain loss with a 6 spd transmission, on a 180 whp vehicle that means the crank HP should be like 202 hp.

Maybe the Honda guys rated the SI lower than the actual to save their sales in the RSX if the RSX is only pumping out 201 hp and without the LSD with a greater drivetrain loss in power.