Haha... that's an awesome Vid Rhythmsmoke! The announcer guy was cracking me up! What a beating. Too bad the camera turned off before the times went up....

Back to the mustang. Just because you engine puts out a certain amount of power at the flywheel, doesn't make it fast. Some one else previously posted about the mustangs being enginered poorly with body flex, and no weight to hold the back end down. Now no matter what you to for more power, you're still gonna have trouble launching, and will get you butt kicked by some tighly built front wheel drive tC, with over 60% of the weight over the front wheels, not ideal for corning, but it helps in the launch. Now you may counter with the fact that during a launch weight is transfered to the rear, which is true, i don't deny, but it's not going to make up for a 60/40 split. By saying it's impossible for a slightly modded tC, like the one I had, can't beat a GT mustang, you're flat out calling me a liar. See the thing is, i was driving, I saw the mustang, We made two runs, and i beat him both times, topping out at 95mph the second time, (go back to the begining of this thread to see the whole story). I saw it happen. I won, by about a car length. Take it or leave it. Atleast I don't have to call upon my family members vehicles to back my point up, I use my own cars.... lol


PS
SRT-4's sound freakin' sweet!
Boxer engines sound like chain saws on steriods!

 

I take that back, SRT-4's sound like a Turbo Diesel! They sound good. But with a turbo, we can be just as fast.

 

I like this guy already....

Permission to add this to my sig..

 

I believe you beat this particular mustang. You have no reason to come on here and lie about it, especially knowing the critics you have on here! LOL What i dont think people are taking in consideration is the condition of this mustang. I have seen a (and driven) mustang GT that ran like total dog ____. A neighbor of mine had one, it was an 03 i believe. He beat the ____ out of it and didnt taken care of it. On the surface it may have looked mean, but under the hood it was beat up. A mint, slightly modded TC could take a ____ty running GT any day of the week IMO. Granted I only have this one example to back my opinion, but, if that GT ran anything like my neighbors GT, forget about it the TC kill it. Now a GT in good running condition, thats another story.

 

lol. I laugh in relief for you believing me becuz I have no reason to get on here and lie. It would only make me look like a complete tard. Any one can come on here and make wild claims but it doesn't make their car faster, and it won't impress anyone who can see thru the BS. i was merely stating the facts of a certain race that i participated in. I know what I saw, and I know what happened. It's a plain as that. You can talk numbers and look at spec sheets all day long, but there are so many other facts that affect a races outcome. I don't know if the mustang I raced in my tC was an auto or not, but I can assure you it was a GT. ( i say this becuz someone questioned the ability to distinquish between a GT and V6).

 

Agreed. You have no reason to lie however I dont recommend stringing this ____ing contest on because people want to prove that their cars are faster than cars that they will never even see. Its all good, we all love cars, we try to go fast, lower times and have good times but people want to come on here and try to cut other peoples stuff down. IT DOESNT MATTER. My best friend has a 88 toyota pickup 2wd that is primer and only lowered in the back. Its haggard but people dont try to cut it down, because what other people have should not matter to you. Lets worry about our own cars and if that still doesnt work, THEN LINE THEM UP!!!! Thats all that needs to be done. OLD SKOOL.

 

I laugh at at the comments that the FWD can launch better... that is outright incorrect. The weight is over the front wheels... but the car shifts to the rear on launch.. making the RWD better. I have owned PLENTY of RWD cars.. and I can SPANK a FWD on launch in any of them. FWD cars are hideous to launch if you know how to drive a RWD

 

Ok, we need to just set up a run between this modded TC and a some random stock mustang GT. Once in for all get this over with. Someone has to know of or have a stock GT to race, lets make it happen, shoot i would buy pay per view to see this after all this controversy!

Who would like to see this happen??? I sure as heck would. Lets man up

 

Too bad I sold my tC... and too bad again Enginfineer! Becuz you freakin didn't read the whole post!

here's what I said, so you can read it again smart one!

 

right

 

If it did balance out the weight, all tC drives should be able to floor their car into a turn and corner like an MR2, or even worse, a Vette, since all that weight went to the back, you might even get some oversteer!

If you know anything about the new 350Z, it's weight it 53/47, What nissan says is the ideal distribution becuz during a launch it transfers to the back making it the ideal 50/50(which is why this car is so popular in drifting). Now the tC is 60/40, so lets say that 5% of the weight goes to the back during launch,(that two more percent than the Z, i'm just trying to help out Engifneer and his point). Now that puts it at 55/45, with still a majority of the weight ove the front tires. Here's a quote from Mickey Kaus on FWD So now what do you have to say?

 

High 14's manual/ low 15's auto...despite all the ragging on it I see here, a non f/i Tc is not taking the new v6, stock for stock or mod for mod, in a race from a dig it isn't even close. From a roll it'll obviously play more in the Tc's favor, stock the v6 is a dog from a roll. The new edge v6's are more of a race for a Tc.

 

Man.. this is getting stupid. Along with your arguments. And what did cornering EVER have to do with this conversation? You are mixing what is best for an all around street car to what is best for pure drag racing (which was the original topic). Hate to tell you.. but a 350Z is not optimized for drag racing.. it is optimized for all around driving. In pure drag racing, I could care less how much weight is on my front wheels as long as they are on the ground and can keep me running straight. But I will let you go on here on your own.. .with your "300HP mid 13 GT beating NA tc" and your YEARS of infinite experience . This is why people on other forums, that actually have real life experience, laugh at this place.. Its sad.. I like this forum.. but too many people with a whole 3 years experience trying to tell everyone thier slightly modded tc is a muscle car killer. It all comes back to the same point, he either was toying with you, not racing or the worst (or paranoid) driver in the world. If it was bad driving, congrats, you won a race, but dont think for a second it is because a FWD 4 banger is the superior setup for drag racing.

 

I cannot believe the stupidity of some of the people in this thread. I have been following it for the past few days and am just blown away. First off, the original poster MAY have beaten a GT. It is a small chance, but it could have happened if the 'stang completely messed up shifting. However, if you have a 'good' tC driver and a 'good' mustang driver, the tC won't have a chance against a GT.

Then, the thread went to a discussion about which is better for drag racing, FWD or RWD. I just start laughing here. Even if you have a car with no suspension at all, weight will still transfer to the back wheels on launch. Front wheel drive cars will NEVER be as good off the line as rear wheel drive cars. The bad thing is, engifineer tried telling you all this and you came back with some stupid, made up "fact". Anyone who is on the forums knows that engifineer is one of the most intelligent people on the forums. This guy knows his stuff.

If you still can't get it through your thick heads that RWD is better, go to your local drag strip and just watch the cars as they go off the line. Every single one of them will pitch backwards to some degree putting more weight on the BACK wheels. It doesn't matter if it is 60/40 weight distribution with the engine right over the wheels, the front wheels WILL have less traction upon launch because a majority of the weight is going to be on the back wheels. That is why I enjoy drag racing the tC. I strive to find that "perfect" combination where I can get my best launch without spinning my tires too much.

 

Well put!

 

I ran Low 15's from a dig with only a full exhaust. So, how can you say it won't be close?

You said Stock for Stock or mod for mod.....The original poster has a modded tC, and the GT was stock right? So, now why is it hard to believe?

 

The numbers in that quote are for a 6cyl mustang, not the 8cyl GT.

 

What's the #'s on a Stock GT. Include year please..

 

^^Never mind, found them:

1991 Ford Mustang GT = 15.6

1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) = 16.1

1994 Ford Mustang GT = 14.9 (C&D Dec '93)

1999 Ford Mustang GT = 14.1

2005 Ford Mustang GT V-6 = 14.8 (C&D Feb 05)

2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 = 13.5 (MT Jan 05)

2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible = 13.8 (MT Apr 05)

 

You asked me for 05+ v6 times, the GT is a good second faster. Anyway, you claim a 15.1 in a modded manual Tc....compare that to a modded manual v6, which are mid 14's. Compare an auto Tc to an auto Mustang and there's close to a second difference. The average times stock manual Tc's are running as i see here are at best 15.5, don't compare a great time for a modded manual Tc to a stock auto Mustang v6, don't compare modded to stock...you're making unfair comparisions in the Tc's favor.