Street racing is not a sport
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Originally Posted by killerxromances
This is a pointless arguement based on the fact that street racing has been around for years and years. It will always be there because people want to show off, feel a rush of adrenaline or anything else associated with street racing.
Is it right, wrong, morally wrong, stupid or fun? Its all.
Everyone hears sad stories about someone getting hurt or dying, but that isn't going to change anything.
Starting a thread on a scion forum isn't going to change anything.
Hell, making a world wide announcement on tv isn't going to change anything.
People know smoking cigarettes could more than likely give you cancer and kill you. But people do it anyway.
You only get one chance in life, instead of complaining about something, why don't you start an organization? Sure, it still wouldn't change much but at very least you would be doing something more productive than you are now.
...Actually do one better, really want to help dent street racing? Open a chain of tracks that are open every day of the week, charge $5 per car for the day or night. 1. You'd make a killing. 2. It would take many street racers off the street and put them on a track.
Way i see it: This is pointless because everyone can complain and b**ch about things, situations or events. But very few have enough ***** to really make a motion and change things. Or at very least try.
Thats why this thread is pointless.
Is it right, wrong, morally wrong, stupid or fun? Its all.
Everyone hears sad stories about someone getting hurt or dying, but that isn't going to change anything.
Starting a thread on a scion forum isn't going to change anything.
Hell, making a world wide announcement on tv isn't going to change anything.
People know smoking cigarettes could more than likely give you cancer and kill you. But people do it anyway.
You only get one chance in life, instead of complaining about something, why don't you start an organization? Sure, it still wouldn't change much but at very least you would be doing something more productive than you are now.
...Actually do one better, really want to help dent street racing? Open a chain of tracks that are open every day of the week, charge $5 per car for the day or night. 1. You'd make a killing. 2. It would take many street racers off the street and put them on a track.
Way i see it: This is pointless because everyone can complain and b**ch about things, situations or events. But very few have enough ***** to really make a motion and change things. Or at very least try.
Thats why this thread is pointless.
+1 What I have been saying all this time. And if my finances were abundant, I for sure would open a road course as well as a drag track that would be open 5 days a week. Everyday track FTW!!!
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Originally Posted by blown_xa
I used to streetrace bigtime 7 years ago until I got carjacked at the streetraces and people were shooting others and stabbing and crap. The people associated with streetracing are scum IMO.
I like to see somebody who thinks they are fast on the street, slap them on a real ractrack and sit back and laugh.
I like to see somebody who thinks they are fast on the street, slap them on a real ractrack and sit back and laugh.
Where the fudge do you live at....
Dang bro, time for you to move.Hope the last part of that comment wasn't directed towards me? People I am familar with run on the street and the track, as well. Pretty fast if you ask me, 600whp 350z's and Cobra's. Trappin at like 130+mph in the 1/4 on Nitto tires.
i was talking more along the lines of not 1/4 mile but road racing. 1/4 mile is fun but doesnt teach u the characteristics of a car other than acceleration.
Im saying that punks dragrace on the street then a turn pops up and they freak out and kill someone cause they don't know what to do and don't know their car. You can never learn ur car 100% just driving on the street that's why streetracers are stupid cause they think the do know... all they know is how to punch it.
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^^Aee...gotcha. Yeah, you are right. Some punk kids think they know how to drive. I am getting a lot of vehicle control skill from drift practicing. I learned a lot from my first drift event. Learning to control the car when it's "out of control" can save you from a lot of accidents. I was coming around a ramp and merged onto the interstate one time, back tires lost grip due to a small bump where the ramp meet the road surface. Needless to say, it was one scary fishtail, but I didn't panic and kept my cool. Saved myself from going into the guard rail. I would like to think that drift practice had something to do with me not going into a panic.
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
Street racing is stupid, so is drinking, so is smoking (anything but food), so are a lot of things, but they all happen EVERY SINGLE DAY IN EVERY** CITY IN THE US! That doesn't make it right.
street racing denotes two things:
"Racing" and "public roadways".
"drinking", in itself isn't stupid. "drinking and driving", is.
It's the context in which the activity occurs. Drinking in your home, isn't stupid. Drinking while hanging off the side of a helicopter, might be.
Likewise, racing isn't stupid. street racing is. It's where the racing occurs that makes it stupid.
about who has street raced... sure, I'm guessing a large population has been involved in a street race at some point. Does it make it "RIGHT" or "SMART"... that's the key thing. There's not a question whether it happens or not, it's a question whether you're smart enough to know better (i didn't when I street raced, as are 99% of street racers).
But, I grew up and got smarter... when will these "27 year old kids" do that?
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
Originally Posted by HondaCRX
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
Street racing is stupid, so is drinking, so is smoking (anything but food), so are a lot of things, but they all happen EVERY SINGLE DAY IN EVERY** CITY IN THE US! That doesn't make it right.
street racing denotes two things:
"Racing" and "public roadways".
"drinking", in itself isn't stupid. "drinking and driving", is.
It's the context in which the activity occurs. Drinking in your home, isn't stupid. Drinking while hanging off the side of a helicopter, might be.
Likewise, racing isn't stupid. street racing is. It's where the racing occurs that makes it stupid.
about who has street raced... sure, I'm guessing a large population has been involved in a street race at some point. Does it make it "RIGHT" or "SMART"... that's the key thing. There's not a question whether it happens or not, it's a question whether you're smart enough to know better (i didn't when I street raced, as are 99% of street racers).
But, I grew up and got smarter... when will these "27 year old kids" do that?
Then someone who likes drinking will come on, and argue with you and tell you to pull out your PhD. credentials to prove that it does ridiculous amounts of damage, or they will argue with some independent test they found over on Google.
It's a never ending battle man.
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Doctors have said small amounts of alcohol (one glass of red wine/one beer) on a daily basis is ok for your blood...that is of course if you don't have heart disease, high blood pressure, or alcoholism (either in your family or personally). The doctors who say this do not go on to mention the problems, which include damage to your throat, stomach, liver, kidneys, and bladder.
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that's not his point.
I'm guessing he's talking about the people who think it's necessary to drink alcohol to have a good time. At least for myself, I don't drink alcohol because I don't see the point.
as far as street racing. it's wrong. i've done it too. I've almost gotten myself shot. Stupid.
Again, that's why they created dragstrips
I'm guessing he's talking about the people who think it's necessary to drink alcohol to have a good time. At least for myself, I don't drink alcohol because I don't see the point.
as far as street racing. it's wrong. i've done it too. I've almost gotten myself shot. Stupid.
Again, that's why they created dragstrips
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that's not his point.
I'm guessing he's talking about the people who think it's necessary to drink alcohol to have a good time. At least for myself, I don't drink alcohol because I don't see the point.
as far as street racing. it's wrong. i've done it too. I've almost gotten myself shot. Stupid.
Again, that's why they created dragstrips
I'm guessing he's talking about the people who think it's necessary to drink alcohol to have a good time. At least for myself, I don't drink alcohol because I don't see the point.
as far as street racing. it's wrong. i've done it too. I've almost gotten myself shot. Stupid.
Again, that's why they created dragstrips
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Watching someone go through delirium tremors is pretty crazy stuff. I've seen it many, many times when I worked on a Psychiatric unit. The worst one was a guy who went through D.T.s for 6 days straight. He was having horrible hallucinations and couldn't sleep. At least he was a nice guy (which was unusual for someone in his condition).
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
I disagree. Drinking does a rediculous amount of damage to your throat, stomach, liver, kidneys, bladder...etc. Drinking and driving is much more stupid than just drinking, but drinking is stupid by itself. am I one of those "27 y/o kids" that you mention?
It's stupid as it's damaging to yourself, but we're not talking about what's bad/stupid for you, me, him, her, etc.
When these stupid street racers plow themselves into trees, guardrails, etc... no sympathy. Drifters who do it on the street... same thing. You were doing something stupid and karma and darwin double-teamed ya.
However, when these stupid street racers plow into the back of a minivan, t-bone a taurus, etc, and killing people just trying to get home, or to work, or where-ever. it's a problem beyond those egomanics realm.
All because you gotta prove who has the faster CAR. Which, is ridiculous in the first place cause... street racing isn't proving who is the better driver, who is smarter, or any acquired/learned skill... which is the irony of it all. You involve yourself in an activity that you hope is proving you the better person... when it does NOTHING to show how capable YOU are (ok, aside from who can shift faster and launch better...whoopeedoooo). For example, rhythym may have a faster tc than me, but I guarantee I will beat him/post faster times in a road race/autocross/indoor karting/etc if we use the same/similar car(s).
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Originally Posted by HondaCRX
For example, rhythym may have a faster tc than me, but I guarantee I will beat him/post faster times in a road race/autocross/indoor karting/etc if we use the same/similar car(s).
Such a bold statement coming from a guy who knows nothing about me....
PS.....you forgot to add drag racing to the list to say how superior you are. It really doesn't matter though, I don't care if you think you are better than me. More power to ya man. If you feel you can out drive me, good for you.
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Originally Posted by HondaCRX
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
I disagree. Drinking does a rediculous amount of damage to your throat, stomach, liver, kidneys, bladder...etc. Drinking and driving is much more stupid than just drinking, but drinking is stupid by itself. am I one of those "27 y/o kids" that you mention?
It's stupid as it's damaging to yourself, but we're not talking about what's bad/stupid for you, me, him, her, etc.
When these stupid street racers plow themselves into trees, guardrails, etc... no sympathy. Drifters who do it on the street... same thing. You were doing something stupid and karma and darwin double-teamed ya.
However, when these stupid street racers plow into the back of a minivan, t-bone a taurus, etc, and killing people just trying to get home, or to work, or where-ever. it's a problem beyond those egomanics realm.
All because you gotta prove who has the faster CAR. Which, is ridiculous in the first place cause... street racing isn't proving who is the better driver, who is smarter, or any acquired/learned skill... which is the irony of it all. You involve yourself in an activity that you hope is proving you the better person... when it does NOTHING to show how capable YOU are (ok, aside from who can shift faster and launch better...whoopeedoooo). For example, rhythym may have a faster tc than me, but I guarantee I will beat him/post faster times in a road race/autocross/indoor karting/etc if we use the same/similar car(s).
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I made the post originally partly because I was surprised the moderators would let a post promoting illegal, immopral activity thrive on the board.
I expected some disagreement & was glad to see a lot of agreement.
There.
I expected some disagreement & was glad to see a lot of agreement.
There.
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
street racing is a sport, an illegal sport, but a sport. that is why it is usually referred to in legal terms are "unlawful contest of speed"
just because something is stupid and dangerous and wrong and morally corrupt doesn't mean it isn't a sport. look at rooster and dog fighting. it is a sport, but it is banned in alot of places, and stupid and cruel to the animals.
just because something is stupid and dangerous and wrong and morally corrupt doesn't mean it isn't a sport. look at rooster and dog fighting. it is a sport, but it is banned in alot of places, and stupid and cruel to the animals.
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I can't believe someone argued that 'most' Pro Racers start in street racing...
That's is so off-base I can't stand it. What are you defining professional as? The mere fact that they are entrusted with cars that cost several hundred thousand dollars (AT LEAST), plus an entire team backing them says that they are fantastically gifted and trained. You don't receive training on the street. You receive it at Skip Barber schools, Bondurant schools and 15 years of sanctioned karting races that you started participating in when you were 8 years old. You start racing LONG before you ever get a street driver's license, then you begin climbing up the ladder of circuits.
Professional racecar drivers are paid to race because they have fantastic abilities, consistency, and political prowess. They ARE NOT paid because they beat a Viper down an interstate that one time, or because they can weave through traffic at 90mph like nobody's business.
In fact, most of the professional and semi-professional race drivers that I know drive SUVs or sedans on the street. Why? Because they know that real racing is dangerous and exhilerating...and they know that street racing isn't real racing. If they aren't racing they're going to be comfortable.
Is street racing a sport?? Sure...according to Webster's dictionary it's a sport-like activity.
Is it safe? Nope
Is it cool? Nope
Are you becoming a better driver? Nope
Do you have the right to endanger other people? Nope
Was Darwin right? Absolutely...
If you want to make your Scion faster in a straight line, I absolutely respect that! In fact, I admire you for that. Make your car fast, make it EXTREMELY fast. Go to the track, get in front of a crowd, and then demonstrate how well you've transformed your car. Blow the doors off of a $60,000 Corvette. Do it! You have the right to do it.....at the track.
You do not have the right to do things like this on the street, nor do I have the right to go outside and fire my gun straight up in the air. Why? Because it has a real, substantial, demonstrated and documented risk of killing people that are entirely not involved. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RACE YOUR CAR.
There is a huge misconception in this world about the difference between a right and an ability. Too many people think they are entitled to an action because they have the ability to perform an action. This is completely false and unfounded.
If there is someone in the Houston area that is interested in any form of autosport, please do not hesitate to PM me. I will be more than happy to get you pointed in the right direction or even link up with you at events.
What ever you do, keep the racing off the street.
-Tide
That's is so off-base I can't stand it. What are you defining professional as? The mere fact that they are entrusted with cars that cost several hundred thousand dollars (AT LEAST), plus an entire team backing them says that they are fantastically gifted and trained. You don't receive training on the street. You receive it at Skip Barber schools, Bondurant schools and 15 years of sanctioned karting races that you started participating in when you were 8 years old. You start racing LONG before you ever get a street driver's license, then you begin climbing up the ladder of circuits.
Professional racecar drivers are paid to race because they have fantastic abilities, consistency, and political prowess. They ARE NOT paid because they beat a Viper down an interstate that one time, or because they can weave through traffic at 90mph like nobody's business.
In fact, most of the professional and semi-professional race drivers that I know drive SUVs or sedans on the street. Why? Because they know that real racing is dangerous and exhilerating...and they know that street racing isn't real racing. If they aren't racing they're going to be comfortable.
Is street racing a sport?? Sure...according to Webster's dictionary it's a sport-like activity.
Is it safe? Nope
Is it cool? Nope
Are you becoming a better driver? Nope
Do you have the right to endanger other people? Nope
Was Darwin right? Absolutely...
If you want to make your Scion faster in a straight line, I absolutely respect that! In fact, I admire you for that. Make your car fast, make it EXTREMELY fast. Go to the track, get in front of a crowd, and then demonstrate how well you've transformed your car. Blow the doors off of a $60,000 Corvette. Do it! You have the right to do it.....at the track.
You do not have the right to do things like this on the street, nor do I have the right to go outside and fire my gun straight up in the air. Why? Because it has a real, substantial, demonstrated and documented risk of killing people that are entirely not involved. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RACE YOUR CAR.
There is a huge misconception in this world about the difference between a right and an ability. Too many people think they are entitled to an action because they have the ability to perform an action. This is completely false and unfounded.
If there is someone in the Houston area that is interested in any form of autosport, please do not hesitate to PM me. I will be more than happy to get you pointed in the right direction or even link up with you at events.
What ever you do, keep the racing off the street.
-Tide
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Originally Posted by RollTide
I can't believe someone argued that 'most' Pro Racers start in street racing...
That's is so off-base I can't stand it. What are you defining professional as? The mere fact that they are entrusted with cars that cost several hundred thousand dollars (AT LEAST), plus an entire team backing them says that they are fantastically gifted and trained. You don't receive training on the street. You receive it at Skip Barber schools, Bondurant schools and 15 years of sanctioned karting races that you started participating in when you were 8 years old. You start racing LONG before you ever get a street driver's license, then you begin climbing up the ladder of circuits.
Professional racecar drivers are paid to race because they have fantastic abilities, consistency, and political prowess. They ARE NOT paid because they beat a Viper down an interstate that one time, or because they can weave through traffic at 90mph like nobody's business.
In fact, most of the professional and semi-professional race drivers that I know drive SUVs or sedans on the street. Why? Because they know that real racing is dangerous and exhilerating...and they know that street racing isn't real racing. If they aren't racing they're going to be comfortable.
Is street racing a sport?? Sure...according to Webster's dictionary it's a sport-like activity.
Is it safe? Nope
Is it cool? Nope
Are you becoming a better driver? Nope
Do you have the right to endanger other people? Nope
Was Darwin right? Absolutely...
If you want to make your Scion faster in a straight line, I absolutely respect that! In fact, I admire you for that. Make your car fast, make it EXTREMELY fast. Go to the track, get in front of a crowd, and then demonstrate how well you've transformed your car. Blow the doors off of a $60,000 Corvette. Do it! You have the right to do it.....at the track.
You do not have the right to do things like this on the street, nor do I have the right to go outside and fire my gun straight up in the air. Why? Because it has a real, substantial, demonstrated and documented risk of killing people that are entirely not involved. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RACE YOUR CAR.
There is a huge misconception in this world about the difference between a right and an ability. Too many people think they are entitled to an action because they have the ability to perform an action. This is completely false and unfounded.
If there is someone in the Houston area that is interested in any form of autosport, please do not hesitate to PM me. I will be more than happy to get you pointed in the right direction or even link up with you at events.
What ever you do, keep the racing off the street.
-Tide
That's is so off-base I can't stand it. What are you defining professional as? The mere fact that they are entrusted with cars that cost several hundred thousand dollars (AT LEAST), plus an entire team backing them says that they are fantastically gifted and trained. You don't receive training on the street. You receive it at Skip Barber schools, Bondurant schools and 15 years of sanctioned karting races that you started participating in when you were 8 years old. You start racing LONG before you ever get a street driver's license, then you begin climbing up the ladder of circuits.
Professional racecar drivers are paid to race because they have fantastic abilities, consistency, and political prowess. They ARE NOT paid because they beat a Viper down an interstate that one time, or because they can weave through traffic at 90mph like nobody's business.
In fact, most of the professional and semi-professional race drivers that I know drive SUVs or sedans on the street. Why? Because they know that real racing is dangerous and exhilerating...and they know that street racing isn't real racing. If they aren't racing they're going to be comfortable.
Is street racing a sport?? Sure...according to Webster's dictionary it's a sport-like activity.
Is it safe? Nope
Is it cool? Nope
Are you becoming a better driver? Nope
Do you have the right to endanger other people? Nope
Was Darwin right? Absolutely...
If you want to make your Scion faster in a straight line, I absolutely respect that! In fact, I admire you for that. Make your car fast, make it EXTREMELY fast. Go to the track, get in front of a crowd, and then demonstrate how well you've transformed your car. Blow the doors off of a $60,000 Corvette. Do it! You have the right to do it.....at the track.
You do not have the right to do things like this on the street, nor do I have the right to go outside and fire my gun straight up in the air. Why? Because it has a real, substantial, demonstrated and documented risk of killing people that are entirely not involved. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RACE YOUR CAR.
There is a huge misconception in this world about the difference between a right and an ability. Too many people think they are entitled to an action because they have the ability to perform an action. This is completely false and unfounded.
If there is someone in the Houston area that is interested in any form of autosport, please do not hesitate to PM me. I will be more than happy to get you pointed in the right direction or even link up with you at events.
What ever you do, keep the racing off the street.
-Tide
None of that changes the fact that they use to street race. Skip Barber and Bondurant were not even around in the 50's - 60's.
