wow way to bring back a pointless post xBabe. sepatc is a troll dont acknowledge anything he says

and good info on the last person to post that lol i forgot your name and im doin a quick reply

 

Hey guys:
I am not supporting PTUNING in this post. However it seems that the subject below has been avoided:

5) Chris had a major vibration problem coming from what he thought were his brakes. As it turns out, when we went to remove the driver’s side driveshaft on his car, the threaded part of the stub axle was bent (YES a BENT stub axle, don’t even ask me how the last shop managed that – probably used a sledge hammer to force the axle out of the hub carrier). He claimed that the last shop that installed his front sway bar must have done it (why they had to remove his front axle to install a front sway bar seemed fishy to us).

Has the car been to another shop that botched their work prior to the PTUNING visit? Internal hairline fractures could have been caused by someone slamming the transmission with a sledgehammer. This would later result in accelerated wear especially if the transmission got a little hot due to road course exposure.

TeamCaffeineRacing

 

how would that blow his 5th gear tho?

 

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you need a HONDAZ NOZ 6th Gear!

oki sorry i had to post that

 

also, the car was not on a road course. it was in one autocross event. an event where once you hit second gear, you were done shifting, the rest was gas, brake, turn.

also, i find it strange that they would "fix" this problem and then i would have this breakdown 500 miles later after not having any problems for thousands of miles.

 

The difference is the work that you had done at the previous shop to PTUNING. "As it turns out, when we went to remove the driver’s side driveshaft on his car, the threaded part of the stub axle was bent." Why was the "stub axle" bent? Determining the correct course of action requires you to trace the source. The 5th gear went out after PTUNING had their hands on it. If the gear was weak, then removing it would only accelerate the problem. The other thing to consider is the fact that you had aftermarket parts installed that "improve" traction and torque delivery. This will put more strain on the transmission. So...an already weak part subjected to increased stress will be more prone to failure. Have you talked to the previous shop to see exactly what they did to the car? What components had to be un-installed to install new ones. PTUNING advised that you had a new sway bar installed. What else occured at that visit?

Some things just happen to give out at a certain time as well. I have seen many vehicles of different makes and models come into the shop for an oil change and end up with major problems.

Sorry for the book, but it's something to consider.

TeamCaffeineRacing

 

We have a broken synchro assembly with alot of wear on the synchro teeth. This really should have been caught on tear down if this was a preexisting condition (product of abuse).


The minute the bent axle was discovered was the very moment this job became more than just an LSD install.

A bent axle can cause many issues if the condition goes on for awhile, however, it would more likely develop a gear , bearing or a diff problem befor a synchro problem.

 

Man just let it go and stop pointing fingers. It's over, you couldnt prove anything and the case is closed. Stop trying to divert customers from PTUNING, they are an awsome shop, anyone who has been there from the Scion community knows that... except for just you. So just let it go.

If you want excellent advise, quality work, a staff you can truely communicate with and ask advise on a frienship-type level..... PTUNING is the place to go.
Experience PTUNING for youselves and I promise you, that u will grow to love them and realize how trustworthy they are, and how nice they are. Then it will become clear on who the victim is in this whole ordeal.... it's not Drax.

Im out of this thread it's ridiculous, he wont back down even after legal action proved him wrong.

Somebody lock this for real

 

dude, look, i know all about P-Tunings reputation. ask sapan, i was litereally gitty to finially be taking my tc to them for some installation. this was to be the first of hopefully several visits to them for installation. but this is where i am at now.

again, fitzgerald toyota, central atlantic scion tech, mike medalla, could not find anything wrong with my car that wasn't caused by p-tuning's installation. i talk to p-tuning about this, and suddenly everything is my fault. fitz, scion, toyota, medalla could have all pointed the finger at me, at which point i would have accepted that i screwed my car up, but it seems that p-tuning is the only one who says i am at fault.

fitz toyota, the central atlantic scion tech and medalla had no incentive to say it was p-tunings fault they could have said it was purely my fault, but they didn't. people make mistakes, but this wasn't one of mine.

 

But drax, they pointed the finger at Ptunning, but did they prove what ptunning did to make it go? Just saying it was Ptunning proves nothing, unless they prove how it went wrong. I dont remember all the wording but supposedly toyota said a pin was wrong and all this. But ptunning says no pins exist. Did you even bother to check on this?

Did you not see the pictures that showed 5th gar cannot be installed wrong? Have you ever thought that maybe toyota was wrong?

 

actually burden of proof is on them...once accused of something you then have to prove you did not go its pretty much how our legal system works

 

did you see the post that scorpios made about while they can't install 5th gear wrong, it is possible that they did not properly make the measurements that they had to take when reinstalling the 5th gear components, and that if not done properly, this can cause axial torsion that can cause the 5th gear synchronizer to fail. so while they can't install it backwards, they sure can mess it up if they screwed up on this reinstalllation.

and again, mike medalla and the central atlantic scion field technician went and investigated my car on P-TUNING's behalf. as in, P-Tuning called and said "mike medalla, old buddy old pal, we screwed up mr. hepler's tc installing an LSD, do you think you can find a way to cover this under his powertrain warranty for our sake?" (just a sumerization of how i would imagine it going down)

to which mike medalla said "sorry, it appears that all the damage to mr. hepler's tc was due soley to poor workmanship during the LSD installation, we cannot cover this under his powertrain warranty"

 

First, before people start thinking I only made this s/n to post I am going to let them know. YES I DID make this screen name to post. I have been on this forum for months now but by reading this thread, I had to step in and say something. I will probably never post from this user ID again and have to make a new one here soon if I decide to post anything else.

I just bought a used Scion tC and I have always had problems with dealerships in the past with other cars. I hate to do this because I usually never sign up on forums, yet alone post.

Second, Drax, I am truly sorry that you have to go through all this drama and headache. But you need to rethink what is going on.

I noticed you and other people on your side keep jumping back and forth with "the installation being done wrong" and "PTuning should have noticed a damaged syncro". Even if that synchronizer was damaged, it is nearly impossible to tell. There could have been minor fractures on syncro making it nearly impossible to see with the naked eye. Or, it could have just been made weak from the factory. When that happens, it is usually called a "factory defect". Again, you paid them to install the part, not inspect every single little part of the internals.

PTuning is not at fault here.

You claimed that you took the car back which was understandable on your part but when you kept having the problem, and they asked you to bring you car back again, knowing they will look at it for free, you refused. Why may I ask? According to your previous statement, it is because you was afraid of driving the 50 miles to their shop and putting more stress on the transmission, that also being understandable on your part. What I really do not understand, is why you would drive your car for 500+ miles to "allow proper brake-in" but not 50? That sounds a little odd...

The dealership and the gentlemen at Scion Corp. will do everything to point the finger at the other direction. Why? It is because they do not want to have to pay for anything and give your free service because that is just what they do. Also, you may ask, "well, why did the dealership not just put the blame on me?" Thats also simple, they were probably afraid that if they did, you would keep bugging them on that and refuse payment on the work they already did. That way, its less stress and head ache for them, o and not to mention the extra money they made in the process...

Also I recall seeing by many other people on here claiming you auto crossed your car. Anyone who does that, they usually tend to drive their cars hard on the street as well. Don't say you haven't because I am 99.9% positive that all of the people on here has. Also, you are going to say / ask, "well auto crossing only uses first and second gear." This is true but I have seen problems like this happen a lot of different cars. In example, a few of my friends own Evos, one of them auto crosses his car but his 5th and reverse gear went out. When it was shipped out to Shepherd Transmission to get rebuilt, they claimed that it was the synchros were bad causing the gear to go out, same as yours.

I can keep going on and on, but it is late and I have to be up early for work.
Again, I am sorry that I had to make this post but it was getting ridiculous and old.

I am sorry I had to do this, but it was getting old.

 

for at just over 500 miles, the car drove, didn't make any unusual noises, but was noticible harder to shift through the gear pattern. at about 525 miles, 5th gear grinded at every single engagement. when that happened is when i decided not to drive the car for any extended durations. P-Tuning would not offer a tow truck, or a loaner car while they repaired my tC. so i would have to drive my car about an hour away, with nobody availiable to pick me up, and take me back home, no car to get to school or work. my car was in the shop for i think just over 2 weeks. so getting the car to P-Tuning was completely unfeasible.

and again i say, P-Tuning LIED when they said that it was normal that from now on i had to shift to 1st gear to align the synchros before i could shift into reverse. something they knew, that i did not know at the time. When my car could not engage reliably engage reverse after their installation, they should have right then and there said "there is something wrong with this transmission, you should have it looked at immediately" but instead they said it was fine. THEY BLANTENTLY LIED, THE CAR SHOULD SHIFT INTO REVERSE AS EASILY AS IT DID BEFORE THE INSTALLATION.

 

I have had that experience with many different cars before including my old 92 240SX. I sometimes could not just put the car into reverse. I had to put it in first and then it would shift into reverse with no problem.

But on another note...when is this thread going to be locked?

 

Thats a with ALL manual cars

 

in before lock.
again.

 

Whats this i heard about ZPI??????

AWWWWW...TOO SOON?

 

^ dude, not even on the same level....

 

dude...it was a joke