Completely relevant.
The part failed in one of two ways. Well maybe three.

Ptunning messed it up.
Or he drives hard and it failed from his driving. And the removal of it for installation provoked it to fail.
Or it could be a flaw in manufacturing and the removal of it for the installation provoked it to fail.

 

Everyone outta line!

 

Isn't that what always happens on SL

 

how do you become an autocross superstar after autocrossing one time???

 

Nothings going to be solved on this thread, they just need to talk it over and come up with a compromise that will satisfy both parties.

 

again, i have competed in ONE single event. my tc handled fine before and after the event. there has been no signs that i have driven my car beyond its limitations. sapans car has been around the track numerous times, and he has 10 thousand more miles than i do, and we litereally have just about the same parts on each of our cars, and his is supercharged, which means he has put his tc through even more wear and tear than mine has ever seen.

now, before p-tuning did the installation, my transmission was perfect, every gear shifted fine, reverse operated exactly as it is described in the owner's manual.

p-tuning says i admitted it grinded, (which is a lie as discussed earlier), but they never said that they had a problem with reverse as they drove my car around and test drove it. so p-tuning "says" i complained about my transmission grinding, but did they actually notice anyproblems with reverse while it was in their possesion? matter of fact, i parked my car head first when i dropped it off, so the very first thing they would of had to do before they installed it was put it in REVERSE! so tell me, did you encounter a single problem backing my car out of its parking space?

now, after p-tuning does the installation, my shifting is extremly harder to perform, as the shifter has problems manuevering through the H-pattern. and i couldn't get into reverse AT ALL the next day. does it sound like my one day of autocrossing suddenly ruined my transmission and coincidentally decided to arise right after p-tuning did its installation?

back to p-tuning the next day, they "bleed my clutch" or whatever for 3 hourss, and now they tell me that from now on, to shift into reverse, i must now always shift to first gear to align the synchronizers so that reverse can be engaged, because of the LSD. nobody else said they have to do that after having an LSD installed. and having installed as they have stated 6 count them 6 LSD's before installing mine, right then and there, they themselves should have said "we are sorry, there is clearly something wrong here because this is not normal, something is wrong and we should correct it immediately"

p-tuning KNEW then and there that there was something wrong with my transmission. because that was one big fat lie! no other tc owner with an LSD has said "now that i have an LSD, i need to shift to first to align the synchros and get into reverse"

no, instead they said "this is how you get into reverse from now on." like it is normal, which clearly it is NOT!

after toyota did the rebuild, the car shifted into gear as easily as it did before p-tuning did its installation.

 

Drax, as much as I hate to say it, lock this up before it gets any worse. I just hope the problems get solved for you.

 

again, reminder, this was 5th gear. toyota said it is impossible to for a tc to harm it's 5th gear synchronizer, ergo, abusive driving cannot harm that part, no tc, makes enough power to break the 5th gear synchronizer.

anyway, i thought i'd upload the pictures of the damaged parts:

 

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that of course it shifts fine now, the synchro was replaced?????

Have you ever dealt with rings, or plastic, or anytype of clip? If a worn clip is removed it is more prone to crack in the future.
Ptunning did their thing, you could get into gear just fine after they did so, and THEN you couldnt. The synchro or something in 5th gear broke. afer hey reassembled it. You have ZERO proof that it was because of a bad install, UNLESS you can prove it is possible to install wrong. AND you have to prove that if installed wrong it will work for a bit before going.

Synchros go over time ON ALL CARS. Removing them will make this happen sooner. If they had of broken it, or they installed it wrong, it would not have EVER gone into 5th after they had it.
(thats itf they are telling the truth about it only gong one way. Thats what I suggest you research a bit)

 

lastly, toyota/scion could have blamed this on several things, 1. manufacturering defect (warranty) 2. aftermarket parts (which would be my fault, but now aftermarket parts were malfunctioning) 3. abusive driving (my fault, but no signs of driver abuse reported) 4. p-tuning installation error.

now, considering the people who got involved in the case were there on P-TUNINGS BEHALF have absolutly nothing to lose or gain by blaming me or something did to the car for causing the problem, why did they declare that the problem came from p-tunings workmanship?

i'd have to say the answer is because they have no evidence to support otherwise. they could have said "he races, he has some non toyota parts on the car, and he clearly has it set for sporty driving.

if toyota had said cut and dry, it was my fault, then this post wouldn't be here. but considering they went there at the wishes of p-tuning, i'd have to say that it sounds like this wasn't my fault.

 

Being a former technician, i can tell you that anything mechanical can fail (i'm sure everyone agrees). With the facts stated by PTUNING in their post, your car had pre-existing conditions that they informed you about. You took all of that into account. After you drove off and "noticed" something wasn't right, you should have returned the car. You drove the car for over 500 miles and THEN something was grinding. You have admitted to abusing your car PRIOR to having the LSD installed. Racing the car once, twice, etc already explains that there is an abnormal amount of stress being placed on the cars parts. Any of those parts under stress can fail AT ANYTIME! I think that you're pi$$ing up a rope with this. As many have said before, if you're going to race your car, you gotta pay to play.

 

Well this can g on back and forth for pages on end. I say let them resolve it and update us when its all done

 

I agree. I am out of this thread.

 

i'll keep checking in but i think i'll stay out of it for now. Also just to vouch for PTuning, I went there today because i was in the area and my car was making a grinding noise. (turns out my lugs were loose on passenger side) But they took my car back and checked it over, and fixed it for free. I might be wrong, but a lot of dealers and other shops would have charged just to have the car looked at. That just tells you what kind of shop PTuning is. They care about their customers, and thats all there is to it.

 

I agree with this, prior problems mounting and adding in more new after market drivetrain parts, plus driving on it 500 miles to which noone knows how it was driven. If you had a problem you should have takn it back to P-Tuning not to another shop. Thats is rediculous thinking on your part, and if you take it to court it will wind up the same verdict, you must give the place a chance to correct it first.

 

i think it's ridiculous how you all are making it seem like he was consistently abusive to his car if he only Auto-Xed it once. cmon. seriously, if our tCs are that weak as to demolish a 5TH GEAR SYNCHRO from ONE auto-x session, we should all sell our cars and get something else. ITS A FIFTH GEAR SYNCHRO PEOPLE. i could up my TurboToyotas kit to 11psi, push out 400whp, and still blow my motor long before tearing up my 5th gear synchro like that.

whatever, sorry drax, looks like everyone seems happy to just point the finger at you.

i just hope all of you who are bashing him remember to baby your cars, because as soon as you floor it ONCE and your tranny falls apart but you're stuck with the bill, we'll see how much you like having people shoot you down.

p.s.- as i remember it, ZPI was once a very respected member in this community. it's not too hard for a good company to make a bad mistake, so don't be too quick to just absolve PTuning from any responsibility just because they're good in the past. being good in the past gets you customers in the future; it shouldn't, however, get you consumer apathy if you happen to mess something up.

 

okay...when i couldn't get into reverse, i returned to P-Tuning. they did whatever they did for 3 hours and took me for a test drive in it. They said it was driving normal. now having done this installation 6 times, THEY should have noticed that something was wrong. I noticed that something was different from how it was before P-Tuning had done the installation, but since i have never drive a car with a stonger clutch, light weight flywheel, or LSD, how was i to know what i was experiencing was something not working properly, especially when the experts at p-tuning said everything was working right?

so P-Tuning did the initial job, i brought it back to them when i had my first problem, (not going into reverse) when the second problem came up, am i supposed to let them try a third time to fix the transmission? how do you guys imagine that would have played out?

hey, this guy broke his fifth gear synchro, is that our fault? bah, since we are the only ones that know it was our fault, we can blame it on something else and make him pay us to fix it! Mr. Hepler, we can fix your car, but it will cost another 2 grand for a transmission teardown and parts.

so there you have it, i returned to p-tuning two days later for a transmission problem. they "fixed" it, and then i lose my 5th gear synchronizer. am i supposed to return to p-tuning a 3rd time for the same problem area? no, i think most would agree at that point it is time for a second opinion.

 

^ I dont c y ppl still want to say stuff all it does is add fuel to the fire. This is y some ppl hate SL cause right when a thread is coming to an end some one has to say add something that shouldnt have been added. I dont feel anyone should point a finger, theres alot of info and only both parties know EVRETHING that did and didnt happen Like I said just let them settle it and wait for an update. Like it was stated before Ptuning will NEVER ever be like ZPI. If you knew them beyond this thread you would agree.

 

That wasnt meant for you drax...other guy.

 

man, im really sry drax. I hope everything works out the way it should. Good Luck