Yes I would say. You guys are dillusional if you think your car is gonna stay like new. Soap has abbrasives in it, any soap. Did you buy your cars to drive, or for show? If it is a daily driver you people should just deal with it, Bugs can chip paint, sun oxidizes paint, hail chips paint, washing your car scratches paint, people touching your car scratches paint, There is absolutly no way you are gonna keep it like new and yah it sucks but thats the entire reason why your car depreciates so much as soon as you drive it off the lot. if you bought it for show keep it in your lil eco bubbles, and carry it in a trailer to the shows.

 

People should take responsibility for their own actions. I don't like "Pass the buck" type people. I love my car, i would like to keep it like new, but I know that is not going to happen, and when i noticed swirl marks on my paint from washing yah i was upset, but I didn't go running to the dealer demanding them to repaint my car, NOT that it would matter. Cause a week later when you wash your car again, and the same stuff happens cause they are using the exact same paint You are gonna go and demand them to repaint it again? IF there is a genuine cause for a recall, they are going to have to develop a new paint and at that time would be the only logical time to take your car for a new paint job.

 

So you say that they were ok to design a car that cannot be washed without screwing up the appearance of it? This is the only car that I have had that cannot stand up to a washing.

As for abrasives in soaps. Unless you are using a soap that was powder (soda ash or sodium tripoly based). The surfactants and wetting agents in car wash soaps are specifically designed to be 'non' abrasive (sodium xylene sulfonate..etc), (I know way to much about soap BTW).

I understand your arguement as it applies directly to the warranty verbage. But as for standard practice in automobile manufacturing...no way does it apply.

I agree to disagree. Good discussion though.

 

That is totally what I am saying. It is wrong that they painted the car with cheap paint, but you aren't gonna beat the legality of the warrenty. Instead of focusing on trying to get your car repainted under warrenty. You really should be working on getting a recall to fix the paint problem.

 

Okay, that's all well and good, except for the fact that they only issue real "recalls" for safety issues, which this is obviously not.

Plus-- my bad, I didn't realize normal driving on normal suburban roads at safe distances from other vehicles was considered a "bad habit" that the manufacturer should have to take responsibility for.

The only thing I believe Scion should take responsibility for is the crappy paint used on these vehicles. As stated before, I have no other problems with the car- it's been great. But based on primarily mine, but also others, experiences with previous cars there is evidently a problem with the paint being "prone" to excessive chipping. That's all I'm saying. No one ever said they didn't expect a car not to chip at all.

It's obvious that one person can't change an entire corporation in this case-- as I've also said it appears the only thing that would have some sort of weight against the company would be something large scale along the lines of a class action suit. Personally, I feel I've spent enough time and resources on this case alone and that a class action suit would be pointless unless I was able to find a large group of people ready to organize something. I've done my part

 

I have wayy too much time on my hands

 

While I would agree that if you have excessive paint chipping that our products might be a realible alternative to the solution. However, we do get a lot of customers that have a few chips or even cars years old that are in pretty good shape as customers. If the chips are minimal you can touch them up beforehand if you so desire before the installation of our products.

This is only a suggestion and/or alternative to the problem since it looks like that there will be no relief from the dealer.

Of course there are other alternatives such as a black bra, bug delfector, not driving the car or just live with it. The choice is always the consumer on what they will and will not live with.

Chad

 

Actually, when a car is buffed... swirls are always created... It's impossible to avoid them. When you bring it through an automatic car wash, whether brushless or cloth or whatever, it strips the wax off and all you see is the swirl marks from buffing it... If you were to re-wax the car after bringing it through the car wash, or whenever you see swirls, it would cover them -or get rid of them- however you want to look at it...

Basically, when you start to see swirl marks, you need to wax your car again.
It's not a defect from the buffer or an issue with the paint.

Black cars especially need to be waxed often

 

Okay, now I went back and read the entire thread... I hadn't realized what a widespread issue this was, I thought it was only about the swirlmarks and other small issues...

I apologize for sticking my nose into something I know nothing about.

 

more people need to fight Scion on this issue..make them spend time and money fighting the issue so it gets expensive for them..then maybe we can make some headway

 

If "normal" car paint is not suppost to chip, then why does 3M make "paint protection film"



DING, DING ,DING - you cannot deny the laws of commom sense! And painted surface will chip if you hit it hard enough. If you drop your cell phone on the ground and chip it, are you going to take NOKIA to arbitration for not making a strong enough case too?- In my eyes it is the same logic.

When my windsheild was cracked by a rock, it was not considered the fault of the other driver...why? because it is called part of drivng on a public road!!

 

Paint chips. Doesn't matter how well it is applied. Yes, Toyotas have thin paint. You should know that when you purchase one of their cars.

I didn't, but ideally one would have researched that before buying the car.

If the paint bubbled and peeled off your car, I could understand why someone would be upset, even furious.

But if your car is chipping because rocks are hitting it at 60mph...

I have a chip on my hood I'm going to look at getting fixed tomorrow morning. I'll let you all know how it goes, and how visable it is after the repair.

 

one thing i noticed from the aribtration letter at the end it denied for the repaint of the front end...why not ask for a ruling on further research to be done on the paint on the cars?????? just a thought because than you really aren't asking for them to just benefit yourself and no harm done i think you would have a better chance

 

well.. it's too late for that now. that could be something done in small claims court i guess but like i said, i'm done with this for now. unless someone else makes a move i'm tired of fighting with Scion over it. i'm just not going to buy another toyota again

 

I had a festiva. 47 mpg and I sold it to my bf's brother. That car could crush a TC in a turn (Think short, wide, and low wheelbase). They are fun little cars... You would have to own one to know though. The only reason I got rid of it is because I don't have the room to fix it if something seriously went wrong with it. Warrenties are a good thing ;)

 

Thanks for the effort on getting this problem documented in the court system. More of us should do it to get this dissatisfaction on record in all 50 states. As for arbitration cases they are stacked in favor of the manufacturer and have been since its inception (9/1/84).

If you won, Toyota would have had all their profits on the Scion models eaten up and then some to repaint the roughly 150,000 cars they have sold and then re-do the ones they haven't.

Unfortunately, Scion gives the appearance that you are getting so much more for your money, but in fact you are getting exactly what you pay for.

Don't be a victim of a marketing capaign that makes you believe you belong to some elite class. These cars sell for $14k, anyone can get one. ANYONE.

They're nothing more than bic lighters and while I love my xB, there is no way the quality of this thing matches other cars I've owned. Any american car under $15k has far better paint, etc. than what we got on these Scions.

Hell, my dad paid $17K for a new Oldsmobile Alero, has 19k on it and not a single scratch in the paint, came with a sunroof, alarm, the works, etc. Yes I know it doesn't have a WOW factor at all, but lets face it, neither will the xB in a few years when everyone is familiar with it (look at the MINI).

Drive it, have fun, don't invest too heavily in it, let others know that the workmanship is poor and then sell it for a real car when you get out of college.

 

very, very well spoken and i couldn't agree more with you.

 

what colors do you people have that have experienced the chip/swirls?

or is it pretty much every color for the xB?

 

you couldnt be more wrong about american cars and their paint.... chevy, ford and dodge are NOTORIUS for horrible paint!!! Every seen a 2-3 yr old cavalier, sunfire, neon, mustang etc without big peices of paint missing? Most of them had paint issues. Granted, they dont chip... they just flake off! And I wouldnt bash the scion quality just yet... I have been very impressed so far.. especially compared to all of the american cars I have owned (and I would much rather be able to buy american... ). 10,000 miles and I am happy with the engineering on mine... and I am VERY picky. And when you think of it logically, the tC is not much cheaper than other cars like it.... they just sell them at bottom price to start with... you can get most cars that cost a few thousand more for the same price if you talk them down.... it is all the way they are marketed. Its like trading in (generally a rip off!!!!) To prove that point.. go in and talk a salesman down on a car until you get their bottom dollar price... THEN offer a trade and see how much you get.

 

I'm not gonna argue with you when I have experience with this.

I have a Scion xB 2005 with less than 2500 miles.

If you look at it the wrong way it scratches and is the absolute most unforgiving paint job I have ever had on any car American or foriegn. My Dad had a Fiat 128 that didn't have a scratch on it for years.

Scion skimps on the clear coat to the point that if you want to keep this toy for more than four seasons, you best be friends with Earl Schieb.