i'll get this back on topic. it wasn't 19 muslims that did it either! but seriously it wasn't!!!

 

Now that sounds like the real conspiracy theory to me.


If they were "fanatical" Muslims, why were some drinking, eating pork chops and cavorting with lap dancers just before the 'attacks"?

How did Hani Hanjour, a pilot who could barely fly a Cessna, handle a Boeing 757?

Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released?

Why do none of the names appear on the passenger lists UA and AA gave to CNN?

Why did the FBI ignore Bin Laden's family, who left the United States without further investigation?

What happened to Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who have been in jail since September 2001, because of possession of box cutters on a train? Who gave the tip to arrest them?

Who hired Zacarias Massoui to learn how to fly passenger jets in the United States?

 

Dbl Post

 

Nope....all Muslims. Here is a CNN Piece:
The tape, which initially aired on the Arabic-language news network Al Jazeera television, shows a man identified as Saeed Alghamdi.

"America is the enemy that every Muslim should fight," the man said in the video. Alghamdi was one of the hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers overpowered them in order to avoid hitting a fourth target.

His tape is said to have been recorded nine months before the attack.

"You will be turned into pieces because of the mujahedeen," he said. "And I tell you that we are preparing something for you. God will punish you in a big way. And we promise the United States of America that we will stop you, that we will hurt you -- and we will make sure that you don't have any peace."


Two years after the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, "Muslims worldwide will again be watching replays of the collapse of the Twin Towers, praying to Allah … to grant those magnificent 19 Paradise," says the group, Al-Muhajiroun, on its English-language

 

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?





By Steven E. Jones

Department of Physics and Astronomy

Brigham Young University

Provo, UT 84604

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

 

If what you say about Islam is true then I can take passages from the New testiment and draw the following conclusions

Mark
7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Jesus wants us to kill disobediant children as layed down in the Old Testiment?

Exodus
21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

Obviously slavery is A-Ok with christians

Mathew
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life

Christians have no family values. Obviously Jesus wants me to abandon my family for him in exchange for heaven.

Ephesians
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body

Obviously Christians dont believe women have liberties.


Mark
13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Heaven has an experation date.?


Sounds rediculous doesn't it? Anything can be twisted to fit someones motives. Putting things in the proper context is whats important. You cant broad stroke all Muslims based on the radicals, just as I can broad stroke all Christians for their radicals. No they didnt fly planes into buildings, but they have bombed abortion clinics. Oh yeah, and if all Christians only follow the new testiment, why is "eye for an eye approach to life" always quoted as a defense of executions?

Atodak is right. This is off topic, and the last I will say about it.

 

I knew a lot fo that stuff... but damn that is a nice compilation.

 

(My replies are bold italics above)

Chsristians don't use the eye for an eye. Jews maybe....not Christians that know anything about scripture

A man breaks into your home and steals your coat, shirt, pants, shoes, hat and leaves. Once gone, the thief robs a bank wearing the clothes he stole from you. The police come to your door and arrest you for robbing the bank. You say obviously it was not you. The police say....it looked like you, your hat, your shirt, coat, shoes....Nope it was you! You respond....It may have LOOKED like me on the outside...but on the inside it was not me. They may have LOOKED like Christians....BUT


As for Capital Punishment and Christian standpoint.....

Where we find most of our problems with the two sides of capital punishment is that really both sides hold a truth of God. God's law of justice for the taking of a life demands that life be taken; yet, God's spiritual law of mercy and forgiveness grants that a murderer can be forgiven and restored. How can we reconcile this? We must understand that God instituted civil authorities to maintain order in the earth. God uses them to restrain evil and they should be obeyed for this purpose. In the New Testament we see that even Jesus surrendered to the governing authorities because He was submitted to God.

John 19:11: "Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above..."

Romans 13 (RSV)
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

From these verses we see that governments can elect to practice capital punishment, the harshest form of punishment

 

First off, there is no way you can speak for all Christians, or all of any group of a religion because not all of them believe in the same thing. As far as quoting scripture, you can ask a true or false question, and find scripture that justifies both answers. Very contradicting. As for what you wrote above, what about the commandment thou shall not kill? It is very simple and to the point, thou shall not kill. Yet in many other places people should be put to death. You can almost live any type of lifestyle you want, and quote certain parts of scripture to provide justification for it. Its not "God's word", the book didnt fall out of the sky, it was written by us.


to the topic...... no way its a consipiracy

 

Awesome thread.

There is a lot of interesting information here, but I'm going to have say that Heathen definitely seems to be winning the debate.

 

I agree...no conspiricy.

When we look at the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, we can see that these laws were given for the good of mankind. One of these laws is in verse 13: "Thou shalt not kill." You may wonder if God said "do not kill," why He would then decree that a murderer should be put to death. The reason is that the Hebrew meaning of the word translated as "kill" actually means "murder" or "to slay someone in a violent manner unjustly." So, in the Ten Commandments God is saying, "Thou shalt not murder."

If anyone actually reads scripture, they will continue to learn what the true meaning of Gospel Truth is. The problem is, most people don't read it....They just mimic what they hear, twist it to fit their current needs and justify their actions.

 

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Insulting people is not a very good way to sway them.

And your link doesn't work.

Evern if you take out the "url" on the end of the link it just downloads a 9 second nothing.

 

It was a mirror Image of the File, I Guess the server is no longer supporting it or something, sorry.

 

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how this can be a government conspiracy, when our government doesn't get along. If there was a shred of fact to this, the democrats would be all over it. Explain that, and I'll listen to the rest.

 

By Government they mean, BUSH,Cheney, Directors of the NSA,FBI,CIA...ect.

 

Okay. So explain to me how it is that Bush, Cheney, and these other people did this, and we all know about it, but somehow it has gone undetected by the democrats who would jump at any chance to bring Bush down.
Oh, BTW...you do realize that if this was Bush, he planned and executed it in less than 7 months. That's all the longer he was in office when it happened.

 

In my eyes it not a conspiracy. And I agree with the person who mentioned something about, If you think its a conspiracy its because Bush planned it all. And there conspiracy people think bush is an Fing moron. But how many Morons could possibly put togethor a plan like this with out it being leaked out or having 100% evidence implicating him?

You cannot call bush a moron and also accuse him of ochestrating an attack like 9/11.

Its either one or the other and i have yet to see one of bush's critics call him a genious.

(I am in in the military, I saw the Pentagon weeks after the attack. A PLANE HIT IT. PEOPLE DIED.)

 

Here's some big picture for you:

Try doing a body count throughout history.

Muslims vs. Christians

Whom do you think has murdered more people in the name of religion?

Put down your bible for a second and pick up a history book.

Look at history objectively. Look at the Crusades and the Inquisition and the conquistadors in the New World. More murder, rape, assimilation and destruction of native culture has happened under the guise of Christianity than any other religion in history.

That said, I don't think Franciso Pizzaro and Columbus and the Crusaders were good Christians. People who do those types of things shouldn't be used to judge the merit of an entire religion perhaps. Just like Islam should not be judged by the acts of a few desperate people, who unlike the Crusaders and Conquistadors, ACTUALLY do have some legitimate greviances.

Minds are like parachutes, they function best when OPEN.

 

to many people ignore history when its facts dont support their argument