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9/11 conspiracy???
Originally Posted by Biznox
Alright, I'll rephrase. Buying into every 9/11 conspiracy that crosses your path makes him just as f_cking gullible as he seems to think everyone else is..
It comes down to one thing (once again), WTC 7.
Originally Posted by Biznox
I love how people who find a handful of consipracy crap on the internet think they are brilliant free-thinking geniuses that see something the rest of the "sheep" don't..
Originally Posted by Biznox
You have to pick and choose what you gather from these things, just like you do from the mainstream media. Putting MORE confidence in conspiracy sites than regular media that actually has some standards and isn't run by crank-addicted nerds living in their mom's basements is the height of ignorance..
Originally Posted by Biznox
By all means, be objective and use multiple sources for your information about what is happening in the world, but I would say investigate reputable blogs and foreign media before you start trusting in conspiracy obsessed websites for your world view.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
This is not about a political party bias. This is about what really happened. I think those that died deserve the truth.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Polls show more than 60% of Americans think we are being lied to about 9/11. Seems like you and those who share your beliefs are in the minority.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Actually, I was one of those Americans glued to the tv thinking we should seek revenge as soon as possible. Then I put aside my emotions and took a look at the facts and events of 9/11. I hope you can do the same.
Originally Posted by Biznox
Wow. You are so smart. We are all impressed. Really.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
Originally Posted by Biznox
So why don't you sum up your theory about what happened on 9/11 in 300 words or less.....
I never claimed to have all the answers (yet) but I do know that the theory offered up by our goverment is much more the conspiracy theory than the theory I put out there.
I don't necessarily buy the governments version of events outright, but until I hear some practical evidence to suspect otherwise I am assuming the truth is something close to what we are being told, yes. The problem with the conspiracy theories is you need to back them up with a motive in order for them to have any relevance at all.
If you want people to really think about your theories on this, why not summarize them here breifly, since no one is going to read all those links. I'd especially like to hear what you think the governments motivation might be for this big cover-up and what precisely they would gain from doing what you accuse them of.
If you want people to really think about your theories on this, why not summarize them here breifly, since no one is going to read all those links. I'd especially like to hear what you think the governments motivation might be for this big cover-up and what precisely they would gain from doing what you accuse them of.
WHY and HOW would explosives be either in the WTC or on the planes?
WHY would they blow up WTC 7?
What is the motivation there? It makes no sense at all. What leads you to conclude that 1 and 2 were destroyed by explosives in the first place? Did you see the Nova special or any of the many other programs explaining exactly how the towers collapsed? Or do you think they are all part of the vast conspiracy?
WHY would they blow up WTC 7?
What is the motivation there? It makes no sense at all. What leads you to conclude that 1 and 2 were destroyed by explosives in the first place? Did you see the Nova special or any of the many other programs explaining exactly how the towers collapsed? Or do you think they are all part of the vast conspiracy?
Originally Posted by Biznox
I don't necessarily buy the governments version of events outright, but until I hear some practical evidence to suspect otherwise I am assuming the truth is something close to what we are being told, yes. The problem with the conspiracy theories is you need to back them up with a motive in order for them to have any relevance at all.
If you want people to really think about your theories on this, why not summarize them here breifly, since no one is going to read all those links. I'd especially like to hear what you think the governments motivation might be for this big cover-up and what precisely they would gain from doing what you accuse them of.
If you want people to really think about your theories on this, why not summarize them here breifly, since no one is going to read all those links. I'd especially like to hear what you think the governments motivation might be for this big cover-up and what precisely they would gain from doing what you accuse them of.
Originally Posted by Biznox
WHY and HOW would explosives be either in the WTC or on the planes?
WHY would they blow up WTC 7?
What is the motivation there? It makes no sense at all. What leads you to conclude that 1 and 2 were destroyed by explosives in the first place? Did you see the Nova special or any of the many other programs explaining exactly how the towers collapsed? Or do you think they are all part of the vast conspiracy?
WHY would they blow up WTC 7?
What is the motivation there? It makes no sense at all. What leads you to conclude that 1 and 2 were destroyed by explosives in the first place? Did you see the Nova special or any of the many other programs explaining exactly how the towers collapsed? Or do you think they are all part of the vast conspiracy?
theres no way its a consipracy... but, as far as their motivation IF they blew it up, maybe it was a way to get the public to not mind going to war
Originally Posted by Biznox
WHY and HOW would explosives be either in the WTC or on the planes??
As previously explained, the person to ask is Larry Silverstein. He told the fire dept. to "pull" the buildings.
Originally Posted by Biznox
WHY would they blow up WTC 7???
Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
Originally Posted by Biznox
What is the motivation there? It makes no sense at all. What leads you to conclude that 1 and 2 were destroyed by explosives in the first place? Did you see the Nova special or any of the many other programs explaining exactly how the towers collapsed? Or do you think they are all part of the vast conspiracy?
Regarding NOVA, why do you put so much faith into a "documentary" that does not name names, refuses to show the vertical core columns instead showing them as flat floors, Eagars comments saying that the building were "mostly air", the animation showing only the cross trusses and not the perpendicular trusses.....
NOVAs special is as relevant as the 9/11 commission report.
Dont take that video at face value...research what they are saying. Find out if it is true. I have, and I can assure you it is not.
Originally Posted by duston831
theres no way its a consipracy... but, as far as their motivation IF they blew it up, maybe it was a way to get the public to not mind going to war
An immediate reaction to a planned event (like war was to 9/11) may not be the ultimate result that was intended, however the event itself may be a large piece of a much bigger puzzle.
To not have all the answers about why someone may have had a hand in 9/11 means that we cannot form a working theory as to it's alleged purposes or how it would play in the larger picture. Our govt. (CIA) has bankrolled both sides of many conflicts for years, that lends some credence to the thought that it is plausible someone in our govt may have had a hand in 9/11- even if it was inadvertent.
Things like this tend to fall into a category of "games governments play" and a true aftermath or implication probably won't be played out with imbedded reporters on CNN. Sometimes we wag the dog, and war is a distraction. A problem we have is not looking at the big picture and our historical place in it.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
WTC 7 was brought down with explosives. Now compare the collapse of 7 to 1 and 2. WTC 1 and 2 were also brought down with explosives.
I love how people say this crazy sheite as if it's fact...
How about if I just speak your language...I'll post a website & expect you to believe everything on it:
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
Now go put your tinfoil hat back on before big brother steals your thoughts.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
This is not about a political party bias. This is about what really happened. I think those that died deserve the truth.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Polls show more than 60% of Americans think we are being lied to about 9/11. Seems like you and those who share your beliefs are in the minority.
Originally Posted by xActly
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
WTC 7 was brought down with explosives. Now compare the collapse of 7 to 1 and 2. WTC 1 and 2 were also brought down with explosives.
I love how people say this crazy sheite as if it's fact...
How about if I just speak your language...I'll post a website & expect you to believe everything on it:
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
Now go put your tinfoil hat back on before big brother steals your thoughts.
Originally Posted by xActly
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
This is not about a political party bias. This is about what really happened. I think those that died deserve the truth.
HOW DID WTC 7 COLLAPSE? I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Polls show more than 60% of Americans think we are being lied to about 9/11. Seems like you and those who share your beliefs are in the minority.
Originally Posted by xActly
Polls also showed Kerry winning by a large margin...and look what happened. You know why? Because the VAST majority of left wingers LOVE to scream & protest & spend all their time taking these polls, while those of us occupying the right don't bother with any of it until it's time to do something REAL...like VOTE. How, then, can you possibly think any of those polls are even CLOSE to accurate?
How do YOU think it fell?
Originally Posted by Sanjuro
....Things like this tend to fall into a category of "games governments play" and a true aftermath or implication probably won't be played out with imbedded reporters on CNN. Sometimes we wag the dog, and war is a distraction. A problem we have is not looking at the big picture and our historical place in it.
To me it is not as important to find out who did it and why, but the impact said events will have on the world as a whole. Most of the times things are not black or white, but multiple shades of grey
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
HOW DID WTC 7 COLLAPSE? I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
ok, here you go...next time, try google...it's all out there, all you have to do is REALLY want to look for it instead of stopping when you hear what you WANT to hear.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
Originally Posted by xActly
ok, here you go...next time, try google...it's all out there, all you have to do is REALLY want to look for it instead of stopping when you hear what you WANT to hear.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
You should really follow your own advice! That carries about as much weight as the 9/11 commision report and NOVA's documentary long ago debunked.
PM's article debunked: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html#planes
The article you link to makes no mention to the following:
The towers fell straight down through themselves maintaining radial symmetry,
The towers' tops mushroomed into vast clouds of pulverized concrete and shattered steel.
The collapses exhibited demolition squibs shooting out of the towers well below the zones of total destruction.
The collapses generated vast dust clouds that expanded to many times the towers' volumes -- more than occurs in typical controlled demolitions.
The towers came down suddenly and completely, at a rate only slightly slower than free fall in a vacuum. The flat top of the North Tower's rubble cloud revealed in these photos show the rubble falling at the same speed inside and outside the former building's profile, an impossibility unless demolition were removing the building's structure ahead of the falling rubble.
The explosions of the towers were characterized by intense blast waves that shattered windows in buildings 400 feet away.
The steel skeletons were consistently shredded into short pieces which could be carried easily by the equipment used to dispose of the evidence.
Eyewitnesses reported explosions before and at the outset of the collapses.
And once again, you have not mentioned how YOU think 7 fell. We can post linkls all day long but, again, I ask you, HAVE YOU RECENTLY WATCHED THE COLLAPSE OF THOSE TOWERS?
We can quote others all we want, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Watch the videos and THEN get back to me.
We can quote others all we want, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Watch the videos and THEN get back to me.
RANDOM THOUGHT:
There is an interesting part at the beginning of the movie Braveheart - "I shall tell you of William Wallace. Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes."
That statement is very true.
There is an interesting part at the beginning of the movie Braveheart - "I shall tell you of William Wallace. Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes."
That statement is very true.











