imo,....the essense of communication is intention. i question the intention of the maker of the documentary. it seems he had a preconceived notion about the "facts". given that, it is easy to see how he found "facts" that reinforce that notion. it seemed to me he was trying to prove a point. it was not "unbiased" as it were.

the truth of the events of that horrible incident exist outside of your or my beliefs about them. if you believe the gov't did it, this documentary will seem to corroborate that. if you don't, it won't. nevertheless, the truth exists outside of our perception of it and the debate is moot.

to put it another way, the truth is the truth, the same thing believed is a lie. the facts of this incident will be debated for years by people who care; heck, the "truth" of the kennedy assasination is still up in the air for some.

 

Here's is the be all and end all rebuttal, you gullible gullible people. . .

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...cle_1253.shtml

 

There is no debating the science of PHYSICS. . . two bit conspiracy junkies aren't exactly knowledgeable in such things.

This is as bad as the moon landing conspiracy, referring to the lack of dust upon take off of the lunar lander. Too bad there is no AIR in space to transmit energy.

 

you are right about that. you are generally about 6.62 miles above the earth at altitude. altitude is about 35,000 ft and a mile is about 5,280 ft....math.

btw, who were you talking to in the bathroom?

 

light travels through space from stars to here. light is energy. energy does not need air. but back on point, why was the starched flag waving?.....jk

science is not your bag...no big deal. i kid i kid.

 

Ok, negligent use of terms on my part. . . there is no AIR in space to transmit PRESSURE waves. . . light is a type of energy too, yes. . . and radio. I'm not one for being a human glossary, but I understand the concepts.

And in space, objects in motion stay in motion. So unless they neatly put the flag down without moving it, the flag will continue to move in a random pattern, and will do so infinitely, since there is no friction from air to stop it. You try moving a big startched piece of cloth from a landing craft to the ground. . . I'm sure it's going to move. And since it will continue infinitely and randomly, it will appear a LOT like waving.

Science is definitely my bag. . . in seriousness in seriousness.

 

Even 6.62 miles is more than enough distance (without physical obstruction) for a cell tower to transmit. . . and I was calling to arrange someone to pick me up. . . I didn't feel like waiting 3 hours for a ride, nor paying for a cab.

Approach/decent altitudes range from 10,000-20,000ft (I'm also into flying) and you have to consider that the cell towers are probably NOT at sea level, unless it's an under water city, or a depression in the earth.

 

Anybody want to refute this? Or is modern day physics a government conspiracy too?

 

This is unbeleivable. I did not read every post in this thread, but I get the idea. I will always be amazed at how stupid and gulible some people can be. Yes folks, all of the events of 9/11 were faked and it was all a conspiracy, we never walked on the moon (it was all filmed in a movie studio), the alien autopsy is real, and the Jewish hollocaust never happened. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm meeting Elvis and Jim Morrison for breakfast.

 

It's not about it being fake. I think 9/11 could have been prevented, but the bush people would rather play on a farm in the summer than pay attention to people attacking us. The bush admin needed 9/11 so they could have the right to start a war. I think chaney said we need a pearl harbor type of attack to get this country behind us. Guess what we got one, and all it did was give the goverment more power to control the people. All this is about is power oil and $$$. So they could all make $ on weapon contracts and oil deals. I watched the towers fall from my backyard really I did. I was hyped up to kill people at first but now I see what it was about.

 

Do you honestly think 9/11 all came about because of Bush? Do you honestly not realize that those events were planned and set into motion waaaay before he was the president? If Clinton had gotten off his @ss and actually done something about these people when he had the chance (USS Cole ring a bell?) instead of cheating on his wife with an intern, than some of 9-11 might not have happened.

 

yeah clinton should have been blowin lines instead of cheating on his wife which every president has done

 

Matt A

Your wasting your time in this discussion. This group is the Michael Moore Fan club local #53. Don't you know they swallow any tripe put out against Bush. Bush is responsible for every thing bad in the world. If we would have only ignored the terrorist and Sadaam, they would have both just gone away.

 

Again, I wish someone could tell me the answer to this simple question...

If Bush is so stupid, such a moron, how is it that he is such a criminal mastermind? How has he pulled off the greatest scam ever?
You can't say he is both. You are either a moron or a genius. What do you want us to believe he is?

 

Show me one shred of evidence that Bush has ever done either of those two things while in office (or even in the last 20 years) and we'll talk.

 

Yeah, you're right. Sometimes it's just fun.

 

Wow.. interesting video.. I voted conspiracy, not on the ideas that were presented, but more about the actions taken after 9/11... I was in the Army at the time. Bush IMO has done something that all of our great great great grandchildren will not see the end of.. take my word.. it is farrrrrrr from over.

Bush was like that little kid that rattled the bee hive with a stick and then stood around and watched.. as they stung the living poop out of him!

 

Actually the video format is Flash NOT Quicktime! And the original was in WMV before Google converted it to Flash (as they do with ALL their videos), so get your sh*t straight & stop bashing Quicktime. If you wanna talk about who "always has terrible quality", look at Windows Media. Anyone who knows video knows that MPEG-4 (H.264) is supreme next-generation video quality & both HD-DVD & Blu-Ray discs are gonna use it. Quicktime has it & guess who dont? Yup, Windows Media. So, go fu*k Bill Gates in the a$$ some more why dont you.

 

Ummm.. not going to go point for point but you did post a conservative website link (" THE NEW AMERICAN is the source for conservative news and analysis.").. I have to question any information I get from a biased source pushing an agenda. Conservative, Liberal, Green, etc.

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle here. There is a hell of a lot we DON'T know about 9'11, and won't for many many years. I will say this, If you think the gov is not capable of misleading its people, take a long hard look at our history, and afterwards I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

 

There always has been and always will be things that the general public doesn't know. No matter who is prez. And there are things that we don't need to know. Mainly because if the general public knew it, we would screw it up.