a very small amount, just like baby teeth even, but such a small amount it isn't really viable to collect them that way for research use.

but they do not use stem cells from aborted fetuses, that's gross.

they take egg cells donated or sold and yes ferilize them in a tube, but don't let it develop into a fetus. it doesn't work like that.

Again, they do not abort fetuses for stem cells. we have over 400,000 embryos in the US already in deep cold, waiting for legislation. embryos aren't being used.

anyone who does InVitro fertilization uses dozens of fertilized eggs to get 1 baby. the rest of them are thrown in the trash, because we can't legally use them to do stem cell research. Nice. I know most people that think abortion is wrong, support invitro fertilization, and yet those people will "kill more babies" than any woman who has even multiple abortions.

 

it is funny, i was quoting the bible to prove to the jesus freaks that they themselves accuse us of not being christians for not following every single part of our religion when they themselves don't completely obey the bible.

then they say that there is a separation of church and state (thanks, i was not aware that there was). and the whole reason why is because we are a democracy run by the people, and because not all the people are christians, we can't make the ones who are not christians follow their doctrine specific principals.

you want to live in a theocracy, go to saudi arabia and have fun!

this country is the land of the free and it should stay that way.

 

Actually, I am against InVitro due to the fact that nature doesn't want those people to have babies for a reason. This is also known as natural selection.

 

Then why are people so concerned about them doing stem cell research? /:

 

im atheist, but no one I know, agrees with the bible totally. They like to say "o, it's interpreted different ways" as an excuse to not actually read it. they just believe god/jesus exist, because everyone else does around them. Books like pslams, revelations, sure those are chock full of metaphors, but take genesis, one of the most straightforward books. No one I know besides some 7th day adventists will say that's all true.

 

Uh.

 

Some like to think fertilized embryo = human. Many christians think we're going to start cloning and i guess start creating people without souls.

 

I don't believe in organized religions because people "believe" what they believe because it is what their religion wants them to believe.. rather than actually having their own beliefs and opinions. I think it just shows that people cannot think for themselves. /:

 

Gotcha.

 

By that same token, are you also against antibiotics and chemotherapy? I mean, if you get sick enough that you can't heal your own body, then nature must want you dead, right?

 

 

I've never been advised to believe anything in the Catholic church. The priests that I grew up knowing always told me that I needed to form a relationship with God, and that He would guide me...not them.

 

I am not anti-medicine. I can only imagine how much harm InVetro is on a person. You are screwing around with something that's out of balance. Why not try to fix the imbalance instead of pumping the woman full of eggs?

 

they told you there was a god, that was the first step.

Some people like to think they're above believing in some archaic religion, but that they're going to find the true god (you know, by playing video games and watching tv).

But where did they even get the idea there was a god in the first place? those religions that they say are hogwash, that's where, so I say don't knock religion if you have a god. You merely copied a religion and it's views, took out what you don't like about it, and now think that's true. please. that's idiotic, and yet most people i know do just that.

People don't come to the realisation of a god, without being told there is one to begin with.

 

their not "out of balance" usually they have falopian tube probs, or something that prevents them from dropping an egg correctly, or the male sperm they use is sub par, and can't make the journey. something we're not able to fix via meds or surgery.

invitro takes a bunch of eggs OUT of a woman, fertilizes them all, and whichever egg "survives best" is reinserted into the uterus. then all those fertilized eggs that aren't used are flushed instead of used.

 

I've made the decision to believe in a higher power. That higher power is God. My parents raised me in a Catholic setting, but to say that I was more or less brainwashed is "hogwash". I was lucky enough to have parents that let me explore any realm that I wanted. I had the ability to decide whether I wanted to attend Mass or not. I have gone to many different churches and synagogues. I just fell drawn to the Catholic faith. No single person put me in that pew except me. So, for you to assume that the priests I know told me God was there is just exactly that...an assumption.

 

ok, then who told you there was a god? How old were you? You didn't make a decision to make a god in your mind, someone put it there for you, and you have choose to keep believing. Is that really a choice?

you know how santa works, right? tell the children something IS TRUE. they believe it and then as years go by, they figure it out or are told he isn't,but until then they believe it's 100% true, just like jesus.

 

I don't remember who told me there was a god. I don't remember how old I was, but as I said before I was NEVER forced into anything. I was able to explore different belief systems at MY lesiure including at very young ages. I can tell you that when I pray I have a feeling that overcomes me like no feeling I have at any other time. I know how I feel if I feel that I have not had that open relationship with God. I can tell you that I feel much better when that relationship is open. It soothes me. What's so wrong with that?

 

this is how most people respond. It means that from day one, from the beginning of your memory you were told something was a certain way, end of story. No one said, well some people believe in a deity and some don't. No they say GOD IS.

Thta my friend is how you brainwash kids. I have a child who's 4. I could tell him when he quits sinning, the sky will show it's true color of bright gold. and guess what, he's going to believe it. You can tell a child anything, and implant them with something they carry their whole lives. I'm sure you think you're smarter than just believing anything anyone says, but when you were told this you were a very impressionable child. My parents, wanted me and my son to go to their church a while back. I said i would(& did) but i'd never brig my child there. They said, they're going to color and sing, what's wrong with that. I told them, their church, like every church has 3 years olds singing about jesus dying on the cross for their sins. THAT'S FCKED UP. that's brainwashing, don't you think?

have a kid, understand that you could make the most twisted child imaginable because they are sooo impressionable, especially to ppl they look up to.

it's like putting yourself in a trance, i know exactly what prayer is. It gives you hope, it obsolves your sins. Makes you feel clean and without guilt. and shows you a direction in life, because you haven't ofund it yourself. it's beautiful ****.

 

C'mon now.
It is possible to be just as fanatical in opposition to religion, just as much as with religion.
People are going to believe what they do. No point getting to excited on others- for or against religion.