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Originally Posted by BigMURR
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Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Okay.. there is so much to read and I am still reading it.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
and do you support sucide, meth, cocaine, cutting, etc., etc?
because really it's my body and according to you the law should not stop me.
I just want to get the head of these people and understand their logic, because it amazes me what they think.
No, I don't think it should be legal. But OTHER PEOPLE have to see it. You don't have to see a woman's aborted child or her body.. you can't point at a woman in the store and say, "She had an abortion.. boo hiss." Do you want your child walking along the street (see my last post before this) and seeing these women in their skanky clothes, selling themselves for sex? OTHER PEOPLE (keyword here).. see it.. in abortions.. OTHER PEOPLE.. do not.
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See the question I'm asking you is do you support it? I wasn't looking for an easy answer "well if they want to then they can do it" it seems you dont want to answer it or your not trying to make that hard decision. Yes or No.
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I was just about to say I did say I don't support it.I don't mean to be a b.tch or anything.. but there are certain people here whose line of thinking totally drives me off the walls. I'm sure the same goes for some of you for me and others.. but I just keep reading and keep replying and it just gets better and better.
Please don't think poorly of me for my opinion. I may call someone a dolt but I mean it in the most loving way I can possibly mean it.
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Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Okay.. there is so much to read and I am still reading it.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
and do you support sucide, meth, cocaine, cutting, etc., etc?
because really it's my body and according to you the law should not stop me.
I just want to get the head of these people and understand their logic, because it amazes me what they think.
No, I don't think it should be legal. But OTHER PEOPLE have to see it. You don't have to see a woman's aborted child or her body.. you can't point at a woman in the store and say, "She had an abortion.. boo hiss." Do you want your child walking along the street (see my last post before this) and seeing these women in their skanky clothes, selling themselves for sex? OTHER PEOPLE (keyword here).. see it.. in abortions.. OTHER PEOPLE.. do not.
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Okay.. there is so much to read and I am still reading it.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
But I wanted to say one thing:
Thought not quite on the same level.. the basic idea is this.. it's the same as "___ marriages". Homosexual couples can do whatever the hell they want because it is their life. So what if you don't like seeing them walking along the street, holding hands or giving each other a kiss while waiting in line. You're going to see them doing that whether or not they are married. What they do with and how they live their lives is their business, NOT YOURS.
So the same goes with abortion.. if it's not YOUR body or YOUR fetus/baby/whatever.. then it is not YOUR business what the woman does. I know you can come out and say then it's not our business when a man commits murder.. but it's different. It's her body.. it's her life that may be in trouble, her body that may be in harm's way.. it's just not the public's business. If it's legal and you don't agree with it, then don't do it. That's your choice. If the fetus is never developed and given birth to, then what the hell is it missing out on if it was never born in the first place? (This is provided it's very early in the pregnancy.. there has to be a line at some point, but nobody can fairly say where to draw the line.)
And just as a side note.. don't come back on the ___ marriages thing and tell me that "the bible says".. if people are allowed to base this whole ___ marriage bull (because there shouldn't be an argument about it at all) on religion.. then I'm going to kill someone who deserves to be killed and say that "my bible says". We aren't allowed to blame our wrong doings on the bible or our religion when it comes to law.. and the same has to apply to ALL laws, not just criminal acts. You can't use religion to base your facts or arguments when it comes to things like this. You just can't.
But anyway.. that's my $.02. Back to reading the thread.
and do you support sucide, meth, cocaine, cutting, etc., etc?
because really it's my body and according to you the law should not stop me.
I just want to get the head of these people and understand their logic, because it amazes me what they think.
No, I don't think it should be legal. But OTHER PEOPLE have to see it. You don't have to see a woman's aborted child or her body.. you can't point at a woman in the store and say, "She had an abortion.. boo hiss." Do you want your child walking along the street (see my last post before this) and seeing these women in their skanky clothes, selling themselves for sex? OTHER PEOPLE (keyword here).. see it.. in abortions.. OTHER PEOPLE.. do not.
....I'm lost there. I couldn't tell you how to deal with them.. I never really thought about that. Don't they stop receving welfare after so long?
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Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
I was just about to say I did say I don't support it.I don't mean to be a b.tch or anything.. but there are certain people here whose line of thinking totally drives me off the walls. I'm sure the same goes for some of you for me and others.. but I just keep reading and keep replying and it just gets better and better.
Please don't think poorly of me for my opinion. I may call someone a dolt but I mean it in the most loving way I can possibly mean it.
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
I think they do stop getting welfare but like everythin there are ways to get around the system.
And it's not like his ex needed the money. She remarried some guy with lots of money. She was just a.. well, you know.
So there are ways of getting around the system for pretty much everything, yeah.
Oh my goodness I can't type anymore. I'm so tired. I should go to bed.
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Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
Originally Posted by BigMURR
I think they do stop getting welfare but like everythin there are ways to get around the system.
And it's not like his ex needed the money. She remarried some guy with lots of money. She was just a.. well, you know.
So there are ways of getting around the system for pretty much everything, yeah.
Oh my goodness I can't type anymore. I'm so tired. I should go to bed.
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
i didn't vote for bush, i don't support the war in iraq, and i drive a car bult in japan. does that mean i'm not american?
i have lots of jewish friends who eat pork and shell fish, are the no longer jewish?
i think i proved yet another point.
i have lots of jewish friends who eat pork and shell fish, are the no longer jewish?
i think i proved yet another point.
Wow! I was so into this thread, that I got to, "I drive a car built in Japan."
I was about to reply and go, "Really!? Me too! I drive a Scion xA.. what do you drive?"
Rofl. Jeeze. I totally forgot what forum I was on. I'm also very tired and really have to pee.
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Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
What's with the no diabetics? I'm diabetic.. so I shouldn't be able to have kids? wtf is that supposed to mean? 
Medicine is great, but if it negatively impacts natural selection, it isn't doing it's job.
(to me, natural selection has been the #1 reason life has been able to live on this evolving planet for the last 3 billion years)
Medicine should be for cures, or to keep the sick living longer. It shouldn't be there to help increase the percentage of genetic defects in the human species.
I think we need to get past having children born with easily solvable birth defects. We're not anywhere close to a cure for type 1 diabetes. Just like we're not anywhere close to solving hypo-thyroid problems. Say someone is born with no reproductive organs, should we allow science to extract dna from the guy just so he could reproduce? Maybe, but only if we're low on human beings, but we're not, we're no were close.
I don't want to go so far as to have something like in that movie gattaca, but if it's easy to breed out genetic defects, i think we should do it. and like it's been said, if people NEED to have a child family, there are thousands of kids who needs adopting.
I'm in the boat where I think the world has like 3 times too many people as it should.
I am all about getting to becoming a naturally sustained world, where humans find an equilibrium with the planet, So we don't have to tear down every rainforest for cattle and corn, and where americans aren't robbing india for drinking water.
Who's seen Idicrocy? They show a well off, very above average intelligence couple who after years of being together, decide to have one kid, but only right after they finish up their education. But then they extend it, and they don't end up having a child. But joe-blow watching jerry springer has like 10, and they all grow up ignorant and not quit able to properly feed themselves. That is the world we're coming to, just letting anyone breed for fun.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by CLAPhoto
What's with the no diabetics? I'm diabetic.. so I shouldn't be able to have kids? wtf is that supposed to mean?
Medicine is great, but if it negatively impacts natural selection, it isn't doing it's job.
(to me, natural selection has been the #1 reason life has been able to live on this evolving planet for the last 3 billion years)
Medicine should be for cures, or to keep the sick living longer. It shouldn't be there to help increase the percentage of genetic defects in the human species.
I think we need to get past having children born with easily solvable birth defects. We're not anywhere close to a cure for type 1 diabetes. Just like we're not anywhere close to solving hypo-thyroid problems. Say someone is born with no reproductive organs, should we allow science to extract dna from the guy just so he could reproduce? Maybe, but only if we're low on human beings, but we're not, we're no were close.
I don't want to go so far as to have something like in that movie gattaca, but if it's easy to breed out genetic defects, i think we should do it. and like it's been said, if people NEED to have a child family, there are thousands of kids who needs adopting.
I'm in the boat where I think the world has like 3 times too many people as it should.
I am all about getting to becoming a naturally sustained world, where humans find an equilibrium with the planet, So we don't have to tear down every rainforest for cattle and corn, and where americans aren't robbing india for drinking water.
Who's seen Idicrocy? They show a well off, very above average intelligence couple who after years of being together, decide to have one kid, but only right after they finish up their education. But then they extend it, and they don't end up having a child. But joe-blow watching jerry springer has like 10, and they all grow up ignorant and not quit able to properly feed themselves. That is the world we're coming to, just letting anyone breed for fun.
Verry gooood point.
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Oh this thread is too goofy!!
I see that people are actually quoting bible scripture now! Yeah, lets base our country around bible scriptures...and maybe someday we can drive out the infidels who refuse to honor our god!! We must drive them from the earth! Maybe we can someday have suicide bombers who will martyr themselves to the cause of the holy battle to cleanse our land of sin!!
^^Start quoting bible scriptures and use them as a basis for how to make laws, and the craziness stated above starts to seem almost possible, doesn't it?
Yeah, it sucks- but we have this goofy little thing called "Separation of church and state". Annoying as it may be- it's there, O righteous people.
I see that people are actually quoting bible scripture now! Yeah, lets base our country around bible scriptures...and maybe someday we can drive out the infidels who refuse to honor our god!! We must drive them from the earth! Maybe we can someday have suicide bombers who will martyr themselves to the cause of the holy battle to cleanse our land of sin!!
^^Start quoting bible scriptures and use them as a basis for how to make laws, and the craziness stated above starts to seem almost possible, doesn't it?
Yeah, it sucks- but we have this goofy little thing called "Separation of church and state". Annoying as it may be- it's there, O righteous people.
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Originally Posted by evilBOXevil
we have this goofy little thing called "Separation of church and state". Annoying as it may be- it's there, O righteous people.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by evilBOXevil
we have this goofy little thing called "Separation of church and state". Annoying as it may be- it's there, O righteous people.
How many of you support stem cell research, but not abortion? How many of you support abortion but not stem cell research. Why? According to our government and many residents of our wonderful country, allowing us to do stem cell research means we have to kill babies! (Though seems they've found a way to do it without killing an embryo._ But.. if someone wants to abort their not-yet-born child, then why not allow said not-yet-born child be used for stem cell research rather than just throw it in the dumpster out back?
It's a potential cure for a lot of things.
People have said it a million times.. abortion is not black and white. It's way beyond. And nobody will ever have the same opinion or view on the matter.. so I guess just keep getting smarter by reading the interesting posts on this thread.
Or maybe getting dumber, since I guess the voting age isn't 18 already...
