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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by guitarguru44
oh and i dont argue this as a religious issue and further more here is a list off things I think hould be made legal (not joking)
1. drugs, and pretty much all illegal substances including steriods, etc.
2. drinking age and voting age should be moved to 18,
3. death sentence should be eliminated and replaced with life in jail..
4. prostitution should be legal

thats about it for now.. It's not that I am overly against anything because of religion or social implications, etc.
1. So the drug trafficking should be legal? What about the people that get high and hurt themselves or other people when high? Steroids, I dont care about. I actually think it would make professional sports more interesting. I dont see how making Crystal Meth legal, would benefit anyone. Other than Drug Dealers
2. Isnt the voting age 18 now? I dont know, I dont vote. Its a waste of time. No Man will ever bring Peace into this $&%$box of a world. Drinking on the other hand, I agree with. If you are old enough to be in the military, get married, buy a gun; you should be able to drink.
3. Are you out of your mind? So a person that brutally rapes and murders a 12 year old girl; or a terrorist that kills hundreds of people; or a cop killer should not be executed? An eye for an eye. Get rid of the Death Sentence as it is now, and let the family of the victim(s) decide how to take care of the problem,
4. Reminds me of a Chris Rock joke.
1. Let the government regulate and tax it(like hard alcohol is done in many states, where you have to acquire it through a government owned business). & i think growing a small amount of pot for small sales and personal use should be ok, like where you can brew & bottle upto 200 gallons a year of beer, legally in your own home.
2. Personally I hate kids who drink and drive, but what can you do. The federal government has given each state the option to either have an 18year old drinking age, or money for their interstate highways. But you should vote, maybe not for the president(depending on what state you live in, me my electoral votes will always be dem, so there is no point), but voting for your senators, reps and governor is more important to the individual anyway.
3. I think the death penalty is good. I got the green river killer up here, while he's not getting the death penalty for his plea deal, that man deserves death 50fold.
4. i agree it shold be legal, only so that prostitutes get cheked for disease like in nevada. how many wifes, girlfriends and kids get diseases because ole dad got one from a hooker. prostitution is never going away, so why not make it safer?
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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I have not read the first 8 pages of this thread nor do I plan to. I'm sure it's much like every other thread I've seen about abortion. Let me tell you where I'm coming from on this one. My wife is the executive director of two crisis pregnancy centers. She has seen it all...every possible situation and all imaginable ages. I can tell you that there is NO way to justify having an abortion. No matter how bad the situation is, that baby is innocent. That baby has done nothing to deserve the death penalty. If the mother doesn't want the baby, there are thousands of couples who are waiting to adopt. Abortion is killing a human life, period. The centers she runs do ultrasounds and I can promise you that even at a very early stage in fetal development ,that baby is not just, "A mass of tissues and cells." It is a baby. It looks like a baby, it moves independantly of the mother, it has a heartbeat, reflexes and sleep patterns. All of this talk about the mother's rights and the mother's body are fine, but what about the baby's rights and the baby's body. In MANY cases, babies are aborted at a point in development where they could have easily survived outside of the womb. Abortion is sickening.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
I can tell you that there is NO way to justify having an abortion. No matter how bad the situation is, that baby is innocent.
your brother/father in law rapes your wife, would you have her keep the baby?

i don't think anyone would want a child inbred so bad.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by matt_a
I can tell you that there is NO way to justify having an abortion. No matter how bad the situation is, that baby is innocent.
your brother/father in law rapes your wife, would you have her keep the baby?

i don't think anyone would want a child inbred so bad.
I don't know if I would raise the child as my own, but i would not kill him/her. If we chose not to parent the child we would put it up for adoption. No matter how bad the circumstances of the conception were, it doesn't give me or my wife the right to end a life. There are many good, productive people out there who are the products of rape or insest. Their biological father being a rapist does not make the baby guilty of anything.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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This is not a black and white debate. Abortion should be legal for instances of rape, incest, and right to life of the mother. As a method of birth control is should not be permitted. Here is my reason why. For every thing you do in life there is a consequence, it can be either good or bad. When two people consent to having sex on consequence from that action is pregnancy. I don't think that you should take the "easy" way out and terminate the pregnancy early because having a baby is inconvienient to you. When you have an abortion as a method of birth control you are being obsolved from the consequenses of your actions. If you are enought of a "grown up" to have sex you have to face your responsibilities. Give the child up for adoption. I also say that because both my wife and I are adopted.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by javastan
This is not a black and white debate. Abortion should be legal for instances of rape, incest, and right to life of the mother. As a method of birth control is should not be permitted.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by javastan
This is not a black and white debate. Abortion should be legal for instances of rape, incest, and right to life of the mother. As a method of birth control is should not be permitted. Here is my reason why. For every thing you do in life there is a consequence, it can be either good or bad. When two people consent to having sex on consequence from that action is pregnancy. I don't think that you should take the "easy" way out and terminate the pregnancy early because having a baby is inconvienient to you. When you have an abortion as a method of birth control you are being obsolved from the consequenses of your actions. If you are enought of a "grown up" to have sex you have to face your responsibilities. Give the child up for adoption. I also say that because both my wife and I are adopted.
Well said. While I feel that there is NO reason for any abortion, I would not be upset if we would outlaw abortions except for those instances you listed (rape, incest, or to save the mother's life). My reason? Because VERY FEW abortions are done for those reasons. The vast majority of abortions are done because of financial reasons, fear of family reaction, or just plain convenience.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tito_Cruz
man...there are way too many posts to reply to since yesterday...but here's what I can handle.


I think alot of online debates get bad because it's hard to differentiate the tone. You're right, I don't have to worry about giving birth. I didn't mean any harm with the comment.

"Yelling" came from the "rules" list. It just states not to write in all caps because it is considered yelling and rude....that's all.

You didn't offend me and you don't have to apologize....

but I will take that beer...
I think the debates can be a little fun.........given there is respect and posting in an age-appropriate manner. I actually enjoy reading everyone's input.......you do learn a lot from them.

About the "rules"......I agree........it does state not to write in all caps because it's considered yelling and rude.

But.......still trying to figure out where I wrote in all caps

I think you just couldn't post fast enough to flame me...........that you overlooked that I have been on here for a year this month......

oh...I just realized that it was just oversized letters in bold. My bad...

As for the debate. Yeah, it's fun. Just not when people start pulling hair out and breaking monitors over it.

Age has nothing to do with it though but I see where you were going with that.

It's a maturity thing.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
I have not read the first 8 pages of this thread nor do I plan to. I'm sure it's much like every other thread I've seen about abortion. Let me tell you where I'm coming from on this one. My wife is the executive director of two crisis pregnancy centers. She has seen it all...every possible situation and all imaginable ages. I can tell you that there is NO way to justify having an abortion. No matter how bad the situation is, that baby is innocent. That baby has done nothing to deserve the death penalty. If the mother doesn't want the baby, there are thousands of couples who are waiting to adopt. Abortion is killing a human life, period. The centers she runs do ultrasounds and I can promise you that even at a very early stage in fetal development ,that baby is not just, "A mass of tissues and cells." It is a baby. It looks like a baby, it moves independantly of the mother, it has a heartbeat, reflexes and sleep patterns. All of this talk about the mother's rights and the mother's body are fine, but what about the baby's rights and the baby's body. In MANY cases, babies are aborted at a point in development where they could have easily survived outside of the womb. Abortion is sickening.
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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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I too have no intention of reading the other 8 pages, just putting in my two cents:

It is a womans body and it is her choice...PERIOD. The embryo/fetus/baby is hers to do with as she wishes for the first trimester as far as I am concerned. If she makes the choice to abort because (insert ANY reason here), I am in full support. Yes, even for something as shallow as diminishing her beauty.

We have WAY to many people on this Earth, WAY too many people starving in second and third world nations, not to mention this nation right here. I will never understand why so many breeders insist that a woman losses her choice to do with her body what she wishes. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one. But don’t impose your morality onto others who do not share in your religious indoctrination.
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
I too have no intention of reading the other 8 pages, just putting in my two cents:

It is a womans body and it is her choice...PERIOD. The embryo/fetus/baby is hers to do with as she wishes for the first trimester as far as I am concerned. If she makes the choice to abort because (insert ANY reason here), I am in full support. Yes, even for something as shallow as diminishing her beauty.

We have WAY to many people on this Earth, WAY too many people starving in second and third world nations, not to mention this nation right here. I will never understand why so many breeders insist that a woman losses her choice to do with her body what she wishes. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one. But don’t impose your morality onto others who do not share in your religious indoctrination.
That's really sad. And it's got nothing to do with religious indoctrination. Abortion is killing an innocent human being. That baby has done nothing wrong.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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I'm Catholic and I think abortion should remain legal.

Everyone needs to mind their own business.

If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself, not a bunch of protestors here on Earth.
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
I'm Catholic and I think abortion should remain legal.

Everyone needs to mind their own business.

If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself, not a bunch of protestors here on Earth.
So you have a problem with people who want to defend the defenseless? Those babies cannot speak for themselves. They deserve a chance at life the same as you or I do. Why do you feel they are fair game to be killed at the mothers whim?
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Originally Posted by tC4italy
I'm Catholic and I think abortion should remain legal.

Everyone needs to mind their own business.

If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself, not a bunch of protestors here on Earth.
So you have a problem with people who want to defend the defenseless? Those babies cannot speak for themselves. They deserve a chance at life the same as you or I do. Why do you feel they are fair game to be killed at the mothers whim?
Errrrr.....whim?
so getting raped is a woman's whim??????????????
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
I'm Catholic and I think abortion should remain legal.

Everyone needs to mind their own business.

If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself, not a bunch of protestors here on Earth.
while me and you agree on this, how can you call yourself catholic with that view?
(is it only because of your heritage?)
call yourself semi-catholic, or say i have some catholic views, and goto a catholic church.
it the same with viewing homosexuality, it's against your religion.

you can't be a peta member and support the killing of chickens for food.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by tC4italy
I'm Catholic and I think abortion should remain legal.

Everyone needs to mind their own business.

If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself, not a bunch of protestors here on Earth.
while me and you agree on this, how can you call yourself catholic with that view?
(is it only because of your heritage?)
call yourself semi-catholic, or say i have some catholic views, and goto a catholic church.
it the same with viewing homosexuality, it's against your religion.

you can't be a peta member and support the killing of chickens for food.
I believe in God and most of the teaching of Catholicism.
But it's like with every religion there are different vies of some matters. And the interpretation of the Bible sometimes is not accurate.

I pray and I confess to God in my prayers also.

Ultimately I will stand before Him not a bunch of protestors with "pro life" "anti ___" banners.
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
Errrrr.....whim?
so getting raped is a woman's whim??????????????
Here we go again with rape. Did you read what I said above? If our government wanted to pass a law that made abortions illegal except in the case of rape, incest, or to save the mothers life, I would be ok with it. Everyone wants to throw those reasons around as why we have abortions. Like I said above, a very tiny percentage of abortions are done for those reasons. The vast majority are done for financial reasons, fear of family reaction, or simple convenience.
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Catholics dont believe in birth control either.....which is why I have a lot of cousins
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Originally Posted by tC4italy
Errrrr.....whim?
so getting raped is a woman's whim??????????????
Here we go again with rape. Did you read what I said above? If our government wanted to pass a law that made abortions illegal except in the case of rape, incest, or to save the mothers life, I would be ok with it. Everyone wants to throw those reasons around as why we have abortions. Like I said above, a very tiny percentage of abortions are done for those reasons. The vast majority are done for financial reasons, fear of family reaction, or simple convenience.
well then why argue with me if I stated pages and pages ago the same thing as you are saying now?

All good.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
If indeed it's a "murder" then that person shall be judged by God Himself...
I believe this is what will happen, but I still think it should be illegal as a form of birth control. If the mother life is in danger, give the parents the choice. If she was raped and didn't report it (I'm sorry for being insentative here) too bad. I've had a friend that was raped and reported it within a week. I don't see why you wouldn't report it. I'd want whoever did to pay. If you do report it and get check out, agian it should be the mothers choice, but I believe it is a living human being from conception(sp). If two people have sex and make a baby that they are not ready for, too bad. You shouldn't have had sex. Deal with the outcome of your night of pleasure. Sorry for my post jumping around. This kinda hits home for me, as I could have easily been aborted when I was born because my parents were older, thought they were done having children and along I come. My mom told be that people told her she should have one, and she said that is not an option to get rid of a prefectly health baby.

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