Anybody Own Firearms? Gun Control?
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PRACTICAL purposes? Namely?
Oh and killing animals isn't practical when a pizza delivery is 20 min away.
My point is that having guns is a very antiquated practice. We no longer need to hunt to survive as they did when guns were made. Oh and no .45 caliber handgun was invented for killing animals. Sorry, nice try.
Oh and killing animals isn't practical when a pizza delivery is 20 min away.
My point is that having guns is a very antiquated practice. We no longer need to hunt to survive as they did when guns were made. Oh and no .45 caliber handgun was invented for killing animals. Sorry, nice try.
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Didn't what kid get his gun illegally?
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
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Originally Posted by citizen01
"but I agree the gun does help"
Saying that these people are going to kill people anyways is invalid cause you are then saying "so let's make them more efficient killers by giving them guns"
Look... I realize that it would be chaos to put a ban on guns. I am simply pointing out flawed logic.
Saying that these people are going to kill people anyways is invalid cause you are then saying "so let's make them more efficient killers by giving them guns"
Look... I realize that it would be chaos to put a ban on guns. I am simply pointing out flawed logic.
Would my statement make more sense to you if instead of the kid at VT killing people with a gun used a broken wooden broom stick and then I said...
Brooms don't kill people. People kill people. But I agree that the broom did help. ???
You are reading way too deep into a simple statement. The fact still remains that the single act of making firearms illegal would not stop the crime and killing.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Didn't what kid get his gun illegally?
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
Even if he did get the gun illegally, what is your point?
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I guess I'm alone here prob. cos in Europe none of this crazy $hit kids with guns in school happens
Scotland, March 1996: Gun enthusiast Thomas Hamilton shoots 16 children and their teacher dead at their primary school in Dunblane, Scotland before killing himself.
Germany, November 1999: A 15-year-old student in Meissen, eastern Germany, stabbed his teacher to death after taking bets from classmates he would dare commit the crime.
Germany, March 2000: A 16-year-old pupil at a private boarding school in the Bavarian town of Branneburg, shot a 57-year-old teacher, who later died from injuries.
Germany, February 2002: A former pupil killed his headmaster and set off pipe bombs in the technical school he had recently been expelled from in Freising near Munich.
NEWS BRIEF: "18 Dead in German high school shooting spree", Yahoo News, April 27, 2002.
"An expelled student killed 18 people including himself when he went on a shooting rampage in a German high school, leaving a "picture of horror," police said. Nine male and five female teachers, two female students, a policeman and the 19-year-old gunman died in the massacre at the Gutenberg high school in the eastern city of Erfurt, police chief Manfred Grube said. Grube said there were bodies lying in hallways, classrooms and a toilet at the school and that the gunman had killed himself as police approached.
NEWS BRIEF: "HS student kills teacher in Bosnia", by Radul Radovanock, washingtonpost.com, April 29, 2002.
"VLASENICA, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- A 17-year-old shot and killed one teacher and wounded another Monday before taking his own life in front of 30 other students. Bosnia's first school attack came three days after a deadly shooting spree at a German school. The students ran screaming from the room after the teen-ager shot himself, leaving books and the wounded teacher in a pool of blood. Walls and benches were splattered with blood; bullets blew holes in the walls and shattered classroom windows ... Petkovic, who was described by the principal as "quiet and sensitive," then put the gun to his head and killed himself."
Lol how bout NOT USING countries and example where there is/was war raging 
And 16 dead is no where close 30s; but then once again if you wanna use yr guns do so as long as yr kind of people is no where near me.
Those examples are to show you it does happen, all over the world. So to think it NEVER happens in Europe is nieve.
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Originally Posted by ilovemytC
Originally Posted by tC4italy
I guess I'm alone here prob. cos in Europe none of this crazy $hit kids with guns in school happens
Germany, November 1999: A 15-year-old student in Meissen, eastern Germany, stabbed his teacher to death after taking bets from classmates he would dare commit the crime.
Germany, March 2000: A 16-year-old pupil at a private boarding school in the Bavarian town of Branneburg, shot a 57-year-old teacher, who later died from injuries.
Germany, February 2002: A former pupil killed his headmaster and set off pipe bombs in the technical school he had recently been expelled from in Freising near Munich.
NEWS BRIEF: "18 Dead in German high school shooting spree", Yahoo News, April 27, 2002.
"An expelled student killed 18 people including himself when he went on a shooting rampage in a German high school, leaving a "picture of horror," police said. Nine male and five female teachers, two female students, a policeman and the 19-year-old gunman died in the massacre at the Gutenberg high school in the eastern city of Erfurt, police chief Manfred Grube said. Grube said there were bodies lying in hallways, classrooms and a toilet at the school and that the gunman had killed himself as police approached.
NEWS BRIEF: "HS student kills teacher in Bosnia", by Radul Radovanock, washingtonpost.com, April 29, 2002.
"VLASENICA, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- A 17-year-old shot and killed one teacher and wounded another Monday before taking his own life in front of 30 other students. Bosnia's first school attack came three days after a deadly shooting spree at a German school. The students ran screaming from the room after the teen-ager shot himself, leaving books and the wounded teacher in a pool of blood. Walls and benches were splattered with blood; bullets blew holes in the walls and shattered classroom windows ... Petkovic, who was described by the principal as "quiet and sensitive," then put the gun to his head and killed himself."
And 16 dead is no where close 30s; but then once again if you wanna use yr guns do so as long as yr kind of people is no where near me.
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Didn't what kid get his gun illegally?
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
Even if he did get the gun illegally, what is your point?
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Didn't what kid get his gun illegally?
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
And no, I don't think you are allowed to carry firearms on the grounds with a private permit. Could be wrong though...
Even if he did get the gun illegally, what is your point?
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Originally Posted by citizen01
I just don't understand the argument "I am pretty sure that I could kill a person in at least 4 other ways without going through much trouble"
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Originally Posted by seattledave
I thought foreign born on student/work visas couldn't own firearms? or atleast pistols?
Even if he did get the gun illegally, what is your point?
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Originally Posted by Tomas
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...Tc4Italy doesn't listen to quotes, remember? So in
her eyes those events never happened and are not relavant.
Ps, there have been MANY instances in Asia. I know that Thailand has had
ts fair share.
her eyes those events never happened and are not relavant.
Ps, there have been MANY instances in Asia. I know that Thailand has had
ts fair share.
use what others have said to support one's statements and viewpoints,
even if they are the folks who wrote the US Constitution...
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Originally Posted by ilovemytC
Those examples are to show you it does happen, all over the world. So to think it NEVER happens in Europe is nieve.
Of course it happens but not to this extent. Besides it's not a coincidence when things last yesterday happen that people say "only in America..."
I have about a couple million people to support that thought.
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Originally Posted by ilovemytC
My answer is because there isn't a huge epidemic of gangs in Europe and the UK as there are here.
If you took only half the gangs in the city of Los Angeles, and relocated them to Europe, I guarantee the crime rate and gun shootings would rise drastically.
If you took only half the gangs in the city of Los Angeles, and relocated them to Europe, I guarantee the crime rate and gun shootings would rise drastically.
what the heck are you talking about? it isn't 1992 anymore.....
I lived in L.A. for 19 years and have never seen the presence or fear of the people in any other city, including London, Dublin, Paris, Tokyo, and Sydney. The gangs abroad do not compare. If you have ever been to Europe, the news is alot different than sitting through one primetime news coverage in L.A., New York, Chicago, Detroit, etc....
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Originally Posted by ilovemytC
Originally Posted by citizen01
I just don't understand the argument "I am pretty sure that I could kill a person in at least 4 other ways without going through much trouble"
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
Please explain...
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
there are wars raging in present day germany? among school children in scotland?
hmm
hmm
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
Originally Posted by ilovemytC
Originally Posted by citizen01
I just don't understand the argument "I am pretty sure that I could kill a person in at least 4 other ways without going through much trouble"
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
So because of this guns should be legal? Hell let's legalize nerve gas cause I could shoot just as many people if I wanted to, after that we can legalize personal nukes cause i could get just as many people with nerve gas... etc...
Sorry but that argument just does not stand up to logic.
Please explain...
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Originally Posted by djct_watt
Originally Posted by hotbox05
there are wars raging in present day germany? among school children in scotland?
hmm
hmm
You've been served fool!
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Oh, I see. Yes I guess I am replying to what you've said, lol. From my training, you have to assume all criminals have weapons. I was replying to what Citizen01 said about legalizing every deadly weapon which is an extremist statement. The threats we are talking about have nothing to do with that, and everything to to with people on the street who want to murder, rape, and kill you for money.
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Originally Posted by ilovemytC
Originally Posted by hotbox05
Originally Posted by ilovemytC
My answer is because there isn't a huge epidemic of gangs in Europe and the UK as there are here.
If you took only half the gangs in the city of Los Angeles, and relocated them to Europe, I guarantee the crime rate and gun shootings would rise drastically.
If you took only half the gangs in the city of Los Angeles, and relocated them to Europe, I guarantee the crime rate and gun shootings would rise drastically.
what the heck are you talking about? it isn't 1992 anymore.....
But even in NorCal, my "retired" acquaintance in Santa Rosa (through family friends) has been put on charges many times (and the Joint Police Force (Sheriffs and various city organizations) has even tried to lock him away for life for all 3 strikes at once. He's tied into a VERY large south east asian organization (the 99 corporation if you've ever heard of it) and they are very alive and thriving in Santa Rosa. Just last year, there was an execution in Chinatown (San Francisco) of high ranking Triad member. Mind you, this execution occurred in broad daylight in a Chinese antique store, and the guy was shot point blank in the head. If you were around Chinatown for the few weeks after, the streets were empty and many shops were shut down, fearing retaliation from the Triads (there was a backlash about a decade ago over a similar situation). When I was working in Santa Rosa, my coworker's older brother (35) was followed and stabbed because he was wearing a red shirt. He knows, because the guys confronted him on it. I know because I helped them to file charges.
Next to drugs, weapons are the most profitable (through volume) smuggling business in CA, followed by prostitutes. You have to wonder where all those weapons go.
But if you really want inside information on gangs, talk to Brad (squirrel) and I'm sure he has a TON of inside information for you.