What I found in a quick search:

"Eventually, after the split with Rome, the compilation of Eusebius was to become the standard bible of the Eastern church. "

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm




Wikipedia says the following:




"Gibbon[1] dismissed his (heathenbrewing adds: refering to Eusebius) testimony on the number of martyrs and impugned his honesty by referring to a passage in the Ecclesiastical History, book 8, chapter 2, in which Eusebius introduces his discussion of the Great Persecution under Diocletian with: "We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity." "

And later says:

"But other views have tended to prevail.
Joseph Lightfoot rebutted the arguments of Gibbon[5], pointing out that Eusebius' very frank statements indicate his honesty in stating what he was not going to discuss, and also his limitations as a historian in not including such material. He also discusses the question of accuracy. "The manner in which Eusebius deals with his very numerous quotations elsewhere, where we can test his honesty, is a sufficient vindication against this unjust charge." But he accepts that Eusebius cannot always be relied on. "A far more serious drawback to his value as a historian is the loose and uncritical spirit in which he sometimes deals with his materials. This shews itself in diverse ways. (a) He is not always to be trusted in his discrimination of genuine and spurious documents."

"G. A. Williamson has written, "Gibbon's notorious sneer ... was effectively disposed of by Lightfoot, who fully vindicated Eusebius' honour as a narrator 'against this unjust charge'."[3] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebiu...is_limitations

 

btw heres something to think about when trying to use personal testimony as evidence.

A person can swear on their life that they murdered someone, but if the police cant find any evidence whatsoever, the court has to let someone go. Personal testimony does mean chicken$|-|it if theres no evidence.



on a sidenote, did anyone see that show on the history channel about brain activity in the recently diseased?

And people who have biologically died, but are revived several minutes later. Even though their bodies are dead they have some brain activity. They all have similar patterns.

And when scientists take healthy people and hook them up to machines to induce these brain waves...the volunteers report seeing "blinding bright white light" while hearing voices. Some actually would see their parents and others they were close to (dead or alive). And the thing almost all of them said they had was the "feeling of being out of your body looking down upon yourself".

This could help explain the things people say they see when they have near death experiences. Common brain waves the mind creates as the body dies or is dead. really interesting show...seen it 3-4 times now.

 

WRONG? Me wrong? NEVER!! I'M A CHRISTIAN WE ARE NEVER WRONG!!

That was said sarcastically by the way!

Well there are two ways of looking at this problem.
1)God wiped out all the people in Noah's area and allowed everyone else to go along as before.
2)If you hold to the Bible's strict view that there were no other people on Earth at the time and God wiped out all of Noah's people, but left Noah's family live. They in turn became the Egyptians and such.

 

artficats from the mayan culture in south america are found that are from over 6,000 years ago.

the maximum of 77 generations between adam and jesus, put mayans alive before noah and his ark.

btw on day 4 he created ALL animals that would ever fly and have flown on this planet according to genesis. canaries, turkeys, pigeons are all animals that have flown, right?

then on day 5 he created ALL animals that crawl, and walk on land that have lived and will live. cochroaches, land dinosaurs, many insects, etc... are animals that walk on land, no?

obviously you didn't read the passages. please read and don't assume.

 

Wow, touchy a little?
I was merely saying that if you are looking at it with an OLD EARTH CREATIONIST perspective (ie mine) what you said is not the way things worked.

Why so hostile Dave?

 

poor poor myans, never knew what hit them

 

Actually, that would explain why some of them just up and disapeared! hahahaha that was a joke!

 

actually i think that was a christians doing too. hmmmmm.



;) i know your joking, but i couldnt resist

 

Haha I wasn't talking about the whole Cortez slash and burn of mayan culture.
I was actually talking about all the tribes that have dissapeared in south america.

Besides man, we've done some pretty screwed up crap in the name of Christ, but any idiot knows that it was greed and quest for power that really made these events happened. They just use God's name to try to give their cause some kind of honor.

 

I'm going thruogh the threads, trying to refresh you on what's been said, and you're obviously ignoring. Sorry, i was assuming i read what you write, and you read what i write. I should just say, read it all and comment.

If you read genesis, you'll see it explicitly says flying animals and all of their kind. and then water animals and all of their kind.

so yes it does say all.

and saying it's not that far off... there are 1000x more flying animals that existed well after earlier dinosaurs like stegosaurus.

you seem to agree with certain parts of evolution, so what do you think of the vestigal legs of sperm whales? non working hips and legs. obviously this animal evolved from land animals.

yet genesis has it specifically laid out:
ALL flying animals and water animals on day 4
ALL land animals on day 5.

again, it doens't matter if "one day as a thousand years" or a billion years. if you believe in any sort of evolution, that doesn't follow these rules, you don't believe in the bible as truth.

and if there are just 77 generations between adam and jesus, are every single homo-erectus, cromagnum and every humanoid species we find fakes?

 

its estimated that there are 12-15 million different species of living organisms on earth.

The scientists who are responsible for organizing the project that lists in detail every aspect of every animal just broke 1 millionth animal mark this week. Congrats to them and their great work.

 

Ok, this is the only version that I could access at work here, can't even tell you what version it is. But I don't see the word All.

 

That's pretty darn cool man. Where did you read about this?

 

king james.

And God created great whales, and the living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their
kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that
it was good.

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the
earth.

ok, it says every, instead of all. every = 100% all = 100%

 

i will try to find it when i get home in 20 minutes. was a google news article. i love reading that stuff.

 

Well my good man. I can see what you are referring to now. My only question is why does it have to refer to each of the current day versions of birds?
Yes animals evolve and change over time, they just don't change into other creatures.

 

Sweet thanks man!
Wish I could access that stuff here but they even started blocking news sites now! Can you believe that?
Thankfully they haven't blocked ScionLife yet!

 

even if I give you "after their kind" as some wording for evolution, it still doesn't matter much, as what bird/fowl could come before any early dinosaur like stegosaurus?

what eagle or falcon could co-habitate with any flying reptile? how could giraffees survive with any raptor-like carinvore? why would giraffees and elephants not die out but dinosaurs would? it's easy to make an idea for small reptiles and mammals to survive a world wide catastrophe, but for large mammals, there's simply no reasonable explanation.

 

heres one of the links to the Catalogue of Life article. This one doesnt include plants in their number of species. they just refer to animals.

http://www.plenglish.com/Article.asp...7D&language=EN

 

You know how much easier it would be here if I actually believed that Dinosaurs lived and weren't meat eaters before the flood? Haha I've always LOVED that one! haha

In all honesty, I don't know the answer to that question. Which is actually one of the reasons I hopped on this board. I want to see what I don't have answers for so I can find them.
Let me look into that one more to see what I can find.