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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
Or at least the last 230 years.... For the Gubment to protect us, they need to watch us. Some more than others.
Not really. Most of the spying they're doing is political research, not law enforcement.

They need to focus on doing what they are elected and appointed to do. Like getting the Gulf Coast ready for this year's hurricane season, which is less than 100 days away.

Of course the South is Bush country so I'm sure he'll see that they get what they deserve.
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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You ever thought that it might be the STATES worry, not the federal government?????
As for the political spying, ever hear of the Clinton administration?
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bbcrud
They need to focus on doing what they are elected and appointed to do. Like getting the Gulf Coast ready for this year's hurricane season, which is less than 100 days away.
How much of that should be the responsibility of the federal government? It was a mistake to build a city there in the first place. It's even a bigger mistake to re-build it. Sooner or later, it's going to happen again. If they are determined to live there, it should be the local government's responsibility.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
You ever thought that it might be the STATES worry, not the federal government?????
As for the political spying, ever hear of the Clinton administration?
Oh, so we should disband FEMA and all congressional funding for infrastructure? How would the states get their funding? And I don't think he was suggesting other administrations havent done this. Regardless of who does this, observation for the wrong reasons is abuse of power.
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
You ever thought that it might be the STATES worry, not the federal government?????
No. The State is also responsible but I pay FEDERAL taxes and that money is for the common good of my country and our people.

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As for the political spying, ever hear of the Clinton administration?
Are you saying it's okay for George to break the law because the Clinton administration did it first? Do you know if the Clinton people got the proper authorizations first?
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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It was a mistake to build a city there in the first place. It's even a bigger mistake to re-build it. Sooner or later, it's going to happen again. If they are determined to live there, it should be the local government's responsibility.
Right, so lets just relocate the entire city somewhere else. No big deal right? Oh, and while we're at it, we should relocate Los Angeles and the rest of California that sits on or near the San Andreas fault. Oh and lets not forget about the countless cities that are in "tornado alley" in the mid west. And also the entire southeast seaboard that is also under threat from hurricanes. The entire country is under threat in some way shape or form from a natural disaster. Isn't that why FEMA exists in the first place?
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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This question is for the Bush supporters:

If Bush was born and raised in NO, would he have reacted the same way before Katrina hit?
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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Nope, I never said either was breaking the law.
I am not a Constitutional lawyer, but I kinda doubt you are either. Yes, spying is going on, has been for years, but, like you say, if it is for the common good of your country and the people....

Besides, the Federal government is there to protect the people from our enemies, not rebuild levees that they had sent money to maintain but was wasted on a political favors.
Just how much do you want the Federal government to get into?
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee

Besides, the Federal government is there to protect the people from our enemies, not rebuild levees that they had sent money to maintain but was wasted on a political favors.
Just how much do you want the Federal government to get into?
Huh? So the federal government has no domestic responsibilities? They only exist to protect us from other countries? You may have missed a few things last time you read through our constitution.
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Gonzo_xb
Originally Posted by matt_a
It was a mistake to build a city there in the first place. It's even a bigger mistake to re-build it. Sooner or later, it's going to happen again. If they are determined to live there, it should be the local government's responsibility.
Right, so lets just relocate the entire city somewhere else. No big deal right? Oh, and while we're at it, we should relocate Los Angeles and the rest of California that sits on or near the San Andreas fault. Oh and lets not forget about the countless cities that are in "tornado alley" in the mid west. And also the entire southeast seaboard that is also under threat from hurricanes. The entire country is under threat in some way shape or form from a natural disaster. Isn't that why FEMA exists in the first place?
FEMA exists to provide aid and assistance to an area when a disaster happens.
I never said it wouldn't be a big deal. Obviously it would be a huge deal. But most of the city was destroyed or under water. If there was ever a time to rethink the original mistake of building there, now is the time. It's not rocket science: the city is below sea level and it sits right next to the sea! I don't care how many billions of dollars they spend on leves, walls and pumps; it's not a matter of if it happens again, it's when.
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Video shows Bush, Chertoff warned before Katrina
From staff and wire reports
WASHINGTON — On the day before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the head of the National Hurricane Center told President Bush that the city's levees were "a very, very grave concern," a newly released videotape shows.

the rest of the article and video here

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-warning_x.htm
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Double post sorry
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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I am saying that every person that draws a breath should be responsible for their actions, their choices. If you WANT to live on the coast, be ready to get out when you need to and rebuild if you have to. If you want insurance, pay for it. If you want money, EARN it.
The federal government has enuff to worry with in keeping us safe.
And yes, there are other things it should supply us with.. the right to persue any opportunity that will better our lives.

True, I may have missed a few things in our Constitution, I can admit not knowing everything. Some here have difficulty doing that. If those that think they can even know the thoughts of others could put that to good use instead of trying top prove their intelligence here, we would all be better off.
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Originally Posted by Gonzo_xb
Originally Posted by matt_a
It was a mistake to build a city there in the first place. It's even a bigger mistake to re-build it. Sooner or later, it's going to happen again. If they are determined to live there, it should be the local government's responsibility.
Right, so lets just relocate the entire city somewhere else. No big deal right? Oh, and while we're at it, we should relocate Los Angeles and the rest of California that sits on or near the San Andreas fault. Oh and lets not forget about the countless cities that are in "tornado alley" in the mid west. And also the entire southeast seaboard that is also under threat from hurricanes. The entire country is under threat in some way shape or form from a natural disaster. Isn't that why FEMA exists in the first place?
FEMA exists to provide aid and assistance to an area when a disaster happens.
I never said it wouldn't be a big deal. Obviously it would be a huge deal. But most of the city was destroyed or under water. If there was ever a time to rethink the original mistake of building there, now is the time. It's not rocket science: the city is below sea level and it sits right next to the sea! I don't care how many billions of dollars they spend on leves, walls and pumps; it's not a matter of if it happens again, it's when.
You're right it eventually will happen again. But so will earthqaukes and tornados. Cities were intentionally built in these danger zones. Does that mean we should abandon them as well? Hell, our nation's capitol sits right at sea level, it was basically built on a swamp. The best we can do is defend against disasters to the best of our ability. Relocating cities is not a viable alternative.
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True, I may have missed a few things in our Constitution, I can admit not knowing everything. Some here have difficulty doing that. If those that think they can even know the thoughts of others could put that to good use instead of trying top prove their intelligence here, we would all be better off.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


You really7 need to check out this video of bush being warned about Katrina
http://nytimes.feedroom.com/?fr_stor...b4865507557912
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Originally Posted by Duker
Video shows Bush, Chertoff warned before Katrina
From staff and wire reports
WASHINGTON — On the day before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the head of the National Hurricane Center told President Bush that the city's levees were "a very, very grave concern," a newly released videotape shows.

the rest of the article and video here

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-warning_x.htm
And didn't the mayor or guv know there was a little squall right off the coast?
The president CANNOT order the evacuation of anything..Local officals are the only ones that can do that.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
I am saying that every person that draws a breath should be responsible for their actions, their choices. If you WANT to live on the coast, be ready to get out when you need to and rebuild if you have to. If you want insurance, pay for it. If you want money, EARN it.
The federal government has enuff to worry with in keeping us safe.
And yes, there are other things it should supply us with.. the right to persue any opportunity that will better our lives.

True, I may have missed a few things in our Constitution, I can admit not knowing everything. Some here have difficulty doing that. If those that think they can even know the thoughts of others could put that to good use instead of trying top prove their intelligence here, we would all be better off.
this is just a debate... not a ____ing contest. I don't even know you, so I don't really care what you think of my intelligence (or lack there of ).You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to question it. No need to take it personally. I admit my crack about the constitution may have been unnecessary, but it was not meant as an attack.
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Originally Posted by Gonzo_xb
You're right it eventually will happen again. But so will earthqaukes and tornados. Cities were intentionally built in these danger zones. Does that mean we should abandon them as well? Hell, our nation's capitol sits right at sea level, it was basically built on a swamp. The best we can do is defend against disasters to the best of our ability. Relocating cities is not a viable alternative.
A tornado cuts a very narrow path...one house destroyed but the nextdoor neighbor untouched. That's not the same thing as an entire city becoming an in-ground swimming pool. Our nation's capital doesn't sit on the coast. It's pretty far inland. I'll give you the earthquake thing. Those cities shouldn't have been built there either. I'm not saying we should abandon them, but if we had a bad earthquake that leveled one, it shouldn't be re-built.
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You need to watch this video.
If you dont come away watching and knowing Bush Lied. YOur blind and deaf

http://nytimes.feedroom.com/?fr_stor...b4865507557912

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I can't watch video from work (corporate firewall).



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