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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
I didn't say that physical punishment or creative punishment was needed everytime. I hope it's not. But for those that will just not learn by talking, or taking the toys away, or by grounding, other actions need to be taken.
I'm all for being creative. Creative punishment means you're using your head, not resorting to physicallity when you don't know what to do.
How many of us know a really dumb guy, who is one negative comment about his sports team from going ballastic swinging? I am not like that, and I try to not be like that. We've all been in fights probably, but I'm not the guy who swings first. No one wants to be, except the dumbasses who've been to jail for assault or worse. I can be evil with my words, can make someone so angry they can no longer think and when dumb people get angry, they get phyical because mentally, they've been defeated. For me, hitting someone who's doing something you don't like, instead of using your brain is abuot the same. Use your head, ask how you can manipulate someone to doing what you want? Can't you do that with your children who you know better than themselves?

I know people will see, I've just got a 4 year old so what do i know about raising any older? well I have 2 brothers, now 13 & 15(yes just 12 and 14 years my junior). I raised them with my mom, they're dad left when the youngest wasn't even 1. I got a job at 14, know where my money went? diapers, milk, food, and propane for heating. anything else went to my mom. 6 of us lived in a 2 bedroom mobile home. I know about raising children well, because I haven't forgotten how I reacted to my parents.

Originally Posted by Amoxapine
And if you think that you are so much of a better parent because you can raise your child well without spankings while other children may very well need it, then I am sorry you feel that way. I am sorry for the parents that have the ADD children or the children that grow up to actually LIKE jail because, well it's free cable. Maybe you should have raised them all.
just one in 150 kids is ADD and autism, someone here with an ADD kid, has no reason to listen to a parent without one, that's it's own bag. my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold. I'd have a hard time rasing that child, and don't pretend I'd know how to. But if you started hitting her, it would only be worse.
Raising normal kids especially doesn't require hitting.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold.
That's not ADD, that's satanic.

Interesting about the 1 in 150 number. That's the same figure they attribute to autism. However, you don't have 1 in 3 parents claiming their kid is autistic.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
Ok....I guess my sense of humor went completly unnoticed so I will turn gloomy too.

My ex bf, grew up with his father beating up his mom and if he tried to get in front of the mom, he'd get it too. He still today has a broken knee, fractured jaw and scar marks on his back.

Now that is not even talking about excessive punishment since wanting to protect yr mom is NOT a crime.

He grew up in a ghetto in brazil, with his gang, doing drugs etc etc

So how can we define such a person?
well at least it can be said that he had the quality of knowing when and wanting to protect someone he cared about(his mom)...
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Originally Posted by DragonR
Originally Posted by tC4italy
Ok....I guess my sense of humor went completly unnoticed so I will turn gloomy too.

My ex bf, grew up with his father beating up his mom and if he tried to get in front of the mom, he'd get it too. He still today has a broken knee, fractured jaw and scar marks on his back.

Now that is not even talking about excessive punishment since wanting to protect yr mom is NOT a crime.

He grew up in a ghetto in brazil, with his gang, doing drugs etc etc

So how can we define such a person?
well at least it can be said that he had the quality of knowing when and wanting to protect someone he cared about(his mom)...

Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Well, well, what do you know the Super Nanny is back at it on another thread. Like I said in my other post. What's up Seattle Super Tard/Nanny? How many kids do you have? Your mentality not included.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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C is it?
Your humor did not go unnoticed. Thank you for trying to cheer up the conversation.

I was not meaning to sound gloomy, but just trying to get the point across that the nice form of punishment (taking toys away, talking, etc...) does not always work. I wish that it did.

As I have stated before, I was beat as well... never had any broken bones from it, but I have had my back side every color imaginable. Spanking does not need to go that far - as a matter of fact, I hate my father. But in some cases, I deserved a quick swat on the butt or deserved to do 100 push ups... I deserved it, and I did it.

I am thankful for the way that I was brought up because I think it makes me a better person. Dave, I am sure even you can agree with me on that - you were spanked and chose to not do that. You grew up to be better and are trying to make your children even better than you. I commend you for that. But your form does not always work. My form does not always work. No single persons form always works with every child.

Someone already said it - we find out what works for our children and we do that...
let's all hope that violence is not needed.

And C (if that is your name), I am sure your bubble butt is lovely.
Tell your father I said thank you.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold.
That's not ADD, that's satanic.

Interesting about the 1 in 150 number. That's the same figure they attribute to autism. However, you don't have 1 in 3 parents claiming their kid is autistic.
sorry, i meant autism.
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold.
That's not ADD, that's satanic.

Interesting about the 1 in 150 number. That's the same figure they attribute to autism. However, you don't have 1 in 3 parents claiming their kid is autistic.
sorry, i meant autism.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold.
That's not ADD, that's satanic.

Interesting about the 1 in 150 number. That's the same figure they attribute to autism. However, you don't have 1 in 3 parents claiming their kid is autistic.
its not so much the parents claiming... its a lot of doctors today jumping to diagnose any hyperactive, atypical behavior as ADD and overprescribing medication...
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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It's not autism you moron I've worked with autistic people. Let's start a tallie of all the stupid things that your say. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DragonR
Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
my sister in law works with a child who eats and throws her feces if anything disturbs her. She'd bite you if she cuold.
That's not ADD, that's satanic.

Interesting about the 1 in 150 number. That's the same figure they attribute to autism. However, you don't have 1 in 3 parents claiming their kid is autistic.
its not so much the parents claiming... its a lot of doctors today jumping to diagnose any hyperactive, atypical behavior as ADD and overprescribing medication...
Too many parents use it as an excuse for "hyperactivity". You know what? Put that kid on a soccer pitch and put that "hyperactivity" to use.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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wow, I suggest saying something intelligent before getting into a conversation. Have kids, btw?
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Im lazy......if I were a teenager today..I would be considered Emo
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:04 PM
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Wow Dave... looks like you got a fan.

I was simply debating, not hating...
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by black_sand_box
It's not autism you moron I've worked with autistic people. Let's start a tallie of all the stupid things that your say. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
you know, we were actually having a pleasant discourse up until this point.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
wow, I suggest saying something intelligent before getting into a conversation. Have kids, btw?
Look at this, the king of intelligence is trying to tell some one to make an intellegent comment!
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ok, i'll recind what I said, some people need to be spanked.
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Well just looking at the poles 82% would spank their kids if they had to.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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no one has to.
Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Amoxapine
C is it?
Your humor did not go unnoticed. Thank you for trying to cheer up the conversation.

I was not meaning to sound gloomy, but just trying to get the point across that the nice form of punishment (taking toys away, talking, etc...) does not always work. I wish that it did.

As I have stated before, I was beat as well... never had any broken bones from it, but I have had my back side every color imaginable. Spanking does not need to go that far - as a matter of fact, I hate my father. But in some cases, I deserved a quick swat on the butt or deserved to do 100 push ups... I deserved it, and I did it.

I am thankful for the way that I was brought up because I think it makes me a better person. Dave, I am sure even you can agree with me on that - you were spanked and chose to not do that. You grew up to be better and are trying to make your children even better than you. I commend you for that. But your form does not always work. My form does not always work. No single persons form always works with every child.

Someone already said it - we find out what works for our children and we do that...
let's all hope that violence is not needed.

And C (if that is your name), I am sure your bubble butt is lovely.
Tell your father I said thank you.
Can you believe it that he talks to his dad. I met his dad. His mom talks to his dad..

I don't get it. I HATE that man. From the moment he "shook" my hand in that hard way it bothered me to hell.

But he protected his father when I told him I don't wanna see his dad again. He replied that that's how guys r brought up in real ghettos. You are tough you get tough you stay tough. Or you die.

And yes it's C Claudia
I shall thank my dad from you lol



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