you know me to well so point me in the liberal camera direction

 

^Best thing to do is gather some research and go to a store and try the different brands/models out. See which one you like better.

As far as some basics, what are you going to be shooting primarily? Do you plan on doing prints?

 

cars people and nakie people lol mostly cars

 

japanese and their yogurt flavored everything...

 

Lol well I've learned that your lenses will be your main investment. I've seen entry level cameras with the proper glass produce pics that you wouldn't believe came out of a "begginner" cam. Of course there are some drawbacks like lower frame rate and ISO performance. For example at a drift event or in a low light situation where you couldn't use a tripod.

Also you lack some features like bracketing and access to menus from external buttons. Higher level cams also have better sensors and more megapixels which would help if you ever decided to print an image.

If you're able to start out with an upper level camera that's what I would do. Or else later on you'll want to upgrade as technology progresses or when you find yourself in a situation where you need those extra features.

 

^^Pretty much what he just said, lol.

Figure out want you want from you camera and then look for that.

 

I gave zooms as an example because I thought we were discussing wide angle zoom lenses NOT primes. Primes come in all sorts of fixed focal lengths.

anyhow as of me typing 16-35 is canons wide angle L zoom lens, and the widest canon currently offers, Canon does indeed go wider in their line outside of the L series, however lenses like the 10-22 are somewhat specialty focal lengths, as they are extremely wide, distortion and deviation are extreme. You would use those on similar instances akin to fisheye, where distortion is intended.

Im not sure if you are still trying to argue whether or not the 17-55 is a wide angle, I stated its a wide angle lens and you consider it a mid focal lens, anyhow just to clear up any confusion

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._f_2_8_IS.html

Canon Zoom Super Wide Angle EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Autofocus Lens for Select Digital Cameras

http://www.adorama.com/CA1755U.html

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Ultra Wide Angle Zoom Lens for for 40D, 30D, 20D, & Digital Rebel Cameras Only - U.S.A. Warranty

I hope this clears up any confusion.
If you disagree with any of my prior comments or posts let me know and I will further explain.

cheers

 

just out of curiosity, what equipment do you use?

anyhow in terms of bracketing, you can do that on any dslr, you can do bracketing with a point and shoot camera too. "beginner cam" and "upper level" camera make no difference whether or not you can bracket a photo.

 

ok this has gone on WAY too long and too far. U guys have no idea what photography is all bout. well a few of u do but most of u don't. Ur all so caught up on the tech side of photography that u forget to have fun with it. U all know NOTHING bout just having fun and experiencing photography.

U wanna really step up ur game in photography? Do urself a favor and go out and get urself a film camera body and a roll of Velvia for color film or ilford for black and white photography. If u really wanna step ur game up and test ur skills, get urself a holga or other medium format camera.

A holga will give u EVERY piece of distortion and flaw u can think of. Light leaks, lens distortion, grain, etc etc. I mean ur literally shooting through a PLASTIC lens. U guys think u can handle shooting with a plastic camera with a plastic lens with one shutter speed and only two apertures? ur all so worried bout having the fastest lens, most megapixels, sharpest lens, and no "noise" at all in ur photos. Hate to tell u guys but "NOISE" better known as GRAIN can be ur friend. It adds emotion and feeling to ur image. Cause keep in mind that's what ur going for. Ur creating an image. Ur basically PAINTING with light. That is how u should think of a photo.

Now go on google and type in something like HOLGA or ROLLEICORD or CANON AE-1 and look at the photos that come up from the google search. After that search the word GRAIN, Velvia 50 film, ilford 400 film. After the amazing stuff u see from that, see if u still care about L glass, 2.8 or lower lens speeds, or 24 megapixels, etc etc.

U wanna know a good starter camera? Any FILM body. People now days are spoiled by digital DSLR's. Film is the way to go. Yes it gets expensive, but u will learn WAY faster b/c of it. U will also learn to SLOW down and be more choosey with ur shots instead of just pressing the shutter button without regard. U learn to be more precise with ur shots b/c u shoot in manual all the time, manual focus, and u have to wind the film. So u don't get 6-11 fps. U get however fast u can wind the film through the body. U can also experience multiexposures which is an art all on it's own just from not advancing the film.

There are maybe 3 people on here that I think could even handle film instead of digital.

Especially since with film u have to do a lot of compensating ON camera with filters, film, etc. No photoshop to save ur butt cause u underexposed too much or blew out the detail in the sky. U can just adjust it in camera and get it right or hope u can dodge or burn good enough while in the DARKROOM.

/rant.

GO ENJOY URSELF AND STOP WORRYING BOUT HOW GOOD UR CAMERA IS!!!!!

 

Elijah, I couldn't agree more. I think some people like to argue just for the sake of it.

Regarding film, it actually makes you think about what you're doing. There's no going back to review after you take the picture. I have a few friends that shoot film, one has a medium format camera. I try and learn as much as I can from them because if you can understand film, digital should be a breeze.




And for clarification, AEB is not available on all cameras. Or maybe there was a misunderstanding since it wasn't in tech-speak.

 

i was looking at the d-60 what kinda lense should i go like i said i am new to this in every way i dont know what to look for some one throw out some products not just advice

 

Look at the xsi. More camera than u need for now. The kit lens is good enough too.

 

the xsi i will check it out thanks for your guys help hope to be posting some pics soon

 

some pics i took at spocom.. used the 10-22 a lot and loved the distortion..

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from the "vip" cruise/show. wasnt that vip cause we were underaged and could get in any of the vip bars. weak.

 

FYI the 10-22 is the 1.6x version of the 16-35...thanks for playing

 

I actually looked and the 10 22 specs and didnt realize it was an ef-s lens.. a big durrr for me.
Here I was thinking in my head it was an EF lens.

 

dp

 

Just so everyone knows....Reading photography magazine articles and reading the gear reviews doesn't mean u know anything bout photography.

 

haha if I did that then I wouldve known the 10 22 was ef-s ;)

anyhow on a side note, whenever you take you 70 200 out on the streets, considering it relatively large size and light color, is it bothersome to carry out in public for you? I tend to have difficulty using a large lens in a public setting, possibly from all the unwanted attention from people?

 

I don't mind it at all. I try and blend in and always ask people before taking a shot of them. if it is a street entertainer or homeless person i try to pay them and help them out for letting me take a photo.

One thing i've always wondered bout the L lenses that are white is a rumor that I heard that says the white is better than black cause it reflects light instead of soaking it in and that helps create a better image cause the lens doesn't heat up and cause distortion caused by heat. Just a tech thing I've heard.