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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 03:48 AM
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Im buying my new 08TC on Monday, anyone heard of this new "pure price" thing scion is pressing. Is it really non-negotiable? I thought EVERYTHING in life was negotiable lol.
Please let me know if you've had an experience getting your car BELOW the "pure price" $$$$$

the more I save on the price means the more moola I have to put into the car itself.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 04:38 AM
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pretty much whatever price is on the sticker is what you're going to end up paying from what i've heard. when i bought mine i didnt really try to negotiate anything. it pretty much had all the things that i wanted on it. but it did have some rims that i didnt like that the dealer put on and i was able to get them to take them off and put the stock wheels back on so it just may depend on the dealer. if you look for one that has all the things that you like you should be good.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 04:45 AM
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Let's put it this way: If the dealer does not sell you the vehicle at the price posted on the internet, in the dealership and on the car, they can lose their franchise - their ability to sell Scions.

Makes most dealers toe the line pretty closely.

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good point Tomas, i forgot about the fact that they could lose their dealership if they sell cars lower than what they are supposed to selling them at.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 05:04 AM
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Plus pure price was made to protect honest kids like us from being screwed over on deals because of sharks.

Be glad it's there.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 05:22 AM
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cool thanks guys ! sticker price is pretty awesome anyway...just curious! so im gonna get my new baby monday YAY ...
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I LOOK SO CUTE in that car, haha such a GIRL!!
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 06:02 AM
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ive heard that some dealers have lowered the price on cars. but here's the catch.. they lower the price of each vehicle equally. so that means they'll sell a tc for $500 under msrp, but every other tC on the lot (same year) is also discounted $500 under msrp. Does this make sense? not breaking the rule of "pure pricing", but it sure is bending the heck out of it..
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No, not bending the 'rule' at all. Pure price demands that any individual dealer sell identical Scions at identical prices to all customers - no special deals, but it does NOT demand that their price be one set by corporate.

Each dealer is allowed to set their selling price above, below, or at MSRP, so long as all CUSTOMERS get the same deal.

Dealer A may well sell tCs at $500 less than Dealer B, and as long as they sell them for that price to everyone, there is no problem with pure price.

Pure price does not mean that Scion Corporate sets the price, just that whatever a dealer sets as a price is the same for everyone.

(I guess I said that three or four different ways, but just trying to get across what "Pure Price" means - hope one of those ways of saying it gets it across.)

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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 08:13 AM
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wow another scion girl that drives a tc =) a early congrats on the purchase so what is the first thing you gonna do to your car???? and what part of IE are you from?
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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THANKS, im so excited!!!!as soon as i drive it off the lot its going to the tint shop!! lol I stay in Redlands
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Originally Posted by Tomas
No, not bending the 'rule' at all. Pure price demands that any individual dealer sell identical Scions at identical prices to all customers - no special deals, but it does NOT demand that their price be one set by corporate.

Each dealer is allowed to set their selling price above, below, or at MSRP, so long as all CUSTOMERS get the same deal.

Dealer A may well sell tCs at $500 less than Dealer B, and as long as they sell them for that price to everyone, there is no problem with pure price.

Pure price does not mean that Scion Corporate sets the price, just that whatever a dealer sets as a price is the same for everyone.

(I guess I said that three or four different ways, but just trying to get across what "Pure Price" means - hope one of those ways of saying it gets it across.)

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That's what I was trying to say. Thanks Tomas.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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ASK FOR INVOICE...

walk into the GM's office (General Manager) and say "I WANT INVOICE" loud and bang bang... Invoice is cheaper then this so called Pure Price and MSRP...
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 01:45 AM
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"Invoice" is what the dealer is billed for the product - what they have to pay to get it.

The reason non-Scion dealers can make it seem like you are getting one Hell of a deal (One Dollar Over Invoice!!!) is that the invoice for most brands is what the dealer is billed, but NOT what the dealer pays...

There are things like "holdback" which is an amount held back by the distributor, then returned to the dealer at the end of the quarter - sort of like getting a rebate. There are also other amounts that are given to many dealers to cover flooring, insurance, financing fees, advertising, etc.

From what I understand, for Scions, there is no holdback. They pay invoice price, and don't get a rebate from the distributor at the end of the quarter, so to keep the lights on, they can't afford to sell for "invoice."

Actually, the MSRP markup over invoice for Scion is less than the hidden "holdback" for many, if not most cars.

In other words a Brand X dealer can show you the "factory invoice," sell you a car for just $1 more than you think they paid for it, and at the end of the quarter get back from the distributor a nice $1200 - nearly twice what the Scion dealer made by selling at MSRP.

The difference? Scion's prices are up-front, nothing hidden. Brand X pricing is fake all the way back to the assembly line.

Ask yourself: Why are Scions MSRP prices so much better than any equivalently equipped quality vehicle of another brand?

Because Scion's prices don't have thousands of dollars built in at the factory to "pad" the alleged dealer cost, that is then given to the dealer later for selling the car.

Pure price actually is different.

Tom
(Thank Ghu I was never in car sales - there would have been blood...)
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 02:06 AM
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awesome advice, NOW I've gone to every dealer from here to hollywood and NONE have the car that I want in stock, Im not one to settle for less then what I want......
How willing will dealers be to order the car I want, exactly how I want it?!?!
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 02:42 AM
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Many of us 'ordered' our Scions because our dealers didn't have exactly what we wanted. Others of us had our dealers search close by dealerships to see if any had what we wanted and were willing to trade (both of mine were dealer trades, one from a dealer 15 miles away, the other from a dealer in another state, 265 miles away).

Any dealer worth buying a car from will order what you want. If they are unwilling, I, personally, would walk out.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by scionbabe
awesome advice, NOW I've gone to every dealer from here to hollywood and NONE have the car that I want in stock, Im not one to settle for less then what I want......
How willing will dealers be to order the car I want, exactly how I want it?!?!
im shure they can help u get everything u want in your TC the only thing i got Extra was the pedistol spoiler i dindt get the the 2 in 1 floor mats i got those a week later on line they were on special for i think 68 bucks when u pay a rediculous price at the dealer for them just remember u dont have to got no extras for some reason they wanted me to get the floor mats but i told them good luck on ur new baby TC lol and dont forget to check out the clubs out thier in ur area alot of support out thier
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scionbabe
THANKS, im so excited!!!!as soon as i drive it off the lot its going to the tint shop!! lol I stay in Redlands
how about after tint?? hehe
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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next would be to drop it, maybe powder coat the rims black until i can get some new ones =) and i want to do an LED conversion on the gauge cluster and HVAC/climate controls, BLUE to match the glow of the alpine navigation!
im so excited....now i just have to make some friends who will help me out with installation of all this stuff! lol
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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if you need wheels and tires let me know ill be glad to hook you up =) and anything else like eletrical stuff just let me know =D
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