I am on topic. I said F/I....not just turbo.

 

Um yeah, show me where i/h/e and s/c dyno that? No i/h/e set up adds 50whp on f/i or n/a. And you say i talk too much? And yeah, this is scionlife yet this thread is specifically honda vs. toyota, si vs. tC. Deal with it or don't post here.

 

I never said do pistons first, i just said i would if i were you. No, pistons shouldn't come first. Management should, you are right. But, both would be wise.

 

Now, Now Sensay...play nice.

 

But pistons is a BackBurner Mod. You do that mod when your bored and want something different.

 

EP3 is the previous Si prior to the remodle, not the late 90's by the way.

 

actually your the one that boldly stated an I/H/E S/C tC only has 205whp. YOU show me the dyno graohs to prove me wrong. Some headers alone on NA cars add 50hp dum anus.

another thing the scionspeed kits had problems because they they were of terrible quality not from too much hp.

ho sit down

 

Forgot to mention sensay, superchargers are belt driven they don't run off exhaust like turbos. So gains are close to what n/a would be, and even with turbo's you don't multiply the gains.

 

Show me a header for the tC that does any where near 50whp. Race header that removes the cat where the oem header is only adds roughly 20whp so says mmw, no header, no 4-2-1, no 4-1, no custom header will give you 50whp alone on a 2az. So "dum anus", quit like you know something because its obvious you are a newbie.

 

Someone with a tC with the zpi pulley, supercharger, i/h/e and a few other things had a dyno sheet on scionlife with 233whp. Maybe thats what you are confusing yourself with. We aren't talking about upgrading the pulley, just i/h/e and the supercharger.

 

You seriously are F'n retarded arent you. If a supercharger forcing twice as much air into an engine, were do u think it goes? According to you it disappears. Actually miraculously just as many gasses are leaving through the exhaust header as gasses entering through the intake manifold. Why do u think turbo cars and cars with bigger motors making big HP have larger exhausts???

No gains are not like NA at all. That would only be the case if there was the same amount of airflow as NA, but actually for a stock S/C tC there is about a 50% increase. With the addition an I/H/E to the supercharger the increase in airflow is about 90% from stock.

Yes some headers alone do infact have the ability to create up to 50hp on a naturally aspirated engine.
Look for example at the results of the HyTech racing header in this civic header shoot-out in TPR Mag. 51 hp
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/10/10_b16_headers.shtml

Go ahead killer, every time you open your mouth ill just expose the stupidity of your statements every time.

SUCKKKKK ITT

SEEEEEEEEEE YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

Correction...244whp. Stop posting underrated #'s.

 

Okay, sorry. 244whp i thought it was 233. Either way, that further proves my point to sensay that i/h/e with supercharger is not 230-240whp or what ever he said.

 

No, it doesn't just vanish but you can't double the whp from i/h/e on a boosted motor just because its boosted. With a turbo you'll see more of a gain from exhaust with proper piping size than you would with a supercharger. Why? Because a turbo is directly effected, the supercharger isn't. Look at what rythmn wrote, he corrected me, zpi pulley, supercharger, i/h/e pulled 244whp. Go and expose me for that one.

Also, if you read what i said. No header for the 2az pushes 50whp increase. Maybe if i said, not yet. Its very hard to pull 50whp off any header, yeah it can be done but its rare and its hard to do. No header, for the tC delivers 50whp.

 

No, it doesn't just vanish but you can't double the whp from i/h/e on a boosted motor just because its boosted. With a turbo you'll see more of a gain from exhaust with proper piping size than you would with a supercharger. Why? Because a turbo is directly effected, the supercharger isn't. Look at what rythmn wrote, he corrected me, zpi pulley, supercharger, i/h/e pulled 244whp. Go and expose me for that one.

Also, if you read what i said. No header for the 2az pushes 50whp increase. Maybe if i said, not yet. Its very hard to pull 50whp off any header, yeah it can be done but its rare and its hard to do. No header, for the tC delivers 50whp.

 

actually that further disproves your point. Stupid?

 

How the hell does that disprove my point? You said, i/h/e and supercharger 240whp. You said nothing about the pulley, you just said i/h/e and supercharger.

Also, you might want to do some reading on that 51whp gain and see how they actually came up with 51whp.

 

you seriously are very dumb and have no friends. im just going to talk in bullet points because im tired of repeating myself.

* if by replacing the stock manifold an NA engine gains 20hp, then an engine with the same crappy manifold trying to push out twice as much air but is unable to due to the fact that it is still being limited to the stock manifold would create 40hp by replacing the stock manifold with the new header. Reason why is because it is no longer being restricted of its full capabilites.

* u say exhaust upgrades have more effect on turbo cars.
um i dont know if you have noticed this one einstein, but turbo cars dont even have headers. That alone would make it so that its more benifitial for SC'd cars to replace the full exhaust because they have more to replace and the fact that headers are the most crucial component of any exhaust system.

* replaceing the turbo manifolds that come in some kits with equal length manifolds alone alot of times make increase of 50hp and this is not to say the manifold that came with the kit was even restrictive. The same idea comes with replacing the factory exhaust manifold on a SC'd car that was not originally SC'd

* Its rare to find headers to make 50hp?
um race headers for high hp cars like dodge vipers and Vetts do it all the time. Did you even look at the link i put in my other post???? A CIVIC did it for gawd's sake.

* Also all i said was "some headers alone can create 50hp" anywere in that statement did it sound like i was impling to the tC or the 2az? not at all. LOOK AT YOU! you have resorted to putting words in my mouth NICE MANN!
just because you are loosing an argument doesnt mean you can start puting words in people's mouths.

* you have personaly beaten tCs in autox? nice one buddy. how bout we go out for a race some time.

cya

 

it disproves your point because u uderstated it by 10hp, and how they came up with the 51hp? by using a dyno ofcourse

 

How does that prove your point. That dyno was with S/C, i/h/e. Well, it might have had the ZPI pulley. But that's a good gain for a low cost pulley. If it was only i/h/e, then I think average dyno's are somewhere in the ball park of 210-220whp. Still higher than any #'s you have posted that the S/C has been putting down. You need to research a little more, cause you are always off by a good amount, and usually on the low side.