Kroats if you go back to that web site and read a little bit deeper in to that it says that their lowest level is the enamle... it is a paint that is old and out of date... and again if you look at the signiture service it says URETHANE. No car manufacturer today uses anything but... i dont even know why that was relevent that macco still gives you the option to uses such and single stage poly. is used mainly on heavey equip like a back ho.. so unles you have a big dump on the front of your vehincle then iim sure you dont have single stage on your scion. and if you want to get get your car painted at macco.. just remember you get what you pay for... if you go pay 300 dollars to have your car painted your gonna get a 300 dollar job... so bmy guest... ill take best of show away from you at any car show if you have macco paint your car.

 

welll...i supose my work here is done. oh and thank you for calling my private (pay out the ___ to go to) trade school is hearsay...lol.

thank you isleepwellwithothers for going in depth...i just checked back in and well..you pretty much said it. not much left to say. i guess thanks for saving me the time and effort lol

 

Why are you talking about irrelvant stuff in your post? Best of car shows? What? Back Hoes? Where does it say that is for back hoes? That isn't what we are discussing? Why are you trying to bring that into the discussion? The discussion is whether ALL paint processes are the SAME, or if some paint processes are DIFFERENT.

If you visit maaco's site you will find that.
they will do a COMPLETE paint job with just the enamel layer.
They will do a COMPLETE paint job with all the bells and whistles.

So there are COMPLETE paint jobs that go through different processes.

My point is that there are COMPLETE paint jobs that go through different processes.
My point was proven. Which you acknowledged.

Your, Honeybuckets, and tcchicks point that ALL COMPLETE paint jobs are the SAME, is disproven to date. UNLESS, you have evidence and proof.

Even Earl Scheib states That there are numerous different options you can have done on you car, which goes into more detail than the Maaco site.
http://www.earlscheib.com/

But I don't know if you would want to go through all of that because that site seems to be more detailed than the simple graphic on Maaco's site. So I am not sure you will be able to pull the relevant information out of the text on the page.


As trade school students as you guys claim, there such be some documentation that that ALL PAINT PROCESSES ARE THE SAME. You should have a plethora of information at your disposal.

PLEASE enlighten me. PLEASE. Because as I have stated all I have is EVIDENCE and PROOF, that there are paint processes are different.

Maybe, I should stop because it isn't fun, when I provide clear proof that COMPLETE paint processes are different and you still argue. It is as if you can't comprehend, and I am talking to brick walls. When debating you should provide facts for your side of the argument. And then I counter and that is fun. But, you have provided none.

I can't paint for poop so my hats off to you guys.

 

i missed the part where we were talking about maaco doing anything to a car....were talking about what comes from factory. not a body shop, not a piece of ____ place like maaco. if you take your car to maaco your asking for problems.

but this is all beside the point.

when we say all process's are the same. we mean it. there is nothing different than you "adhesion promoter" then your base (color) then your clear. thats it. there is no other way to paint a car. yes...some cars may be tri-coat..that just means they have three differnt layers of base(color) put on to make the final color.

we dont have to provide you with proof because this is what we paid to learn. this is what we do with our lives to make a living. you can get on maaco's website all you want and look at all there nifty diagrams and such..but that will not tell you anything.

 

ok kroats... when they talk about enamle the dont just do the enamle coat enamel is not a step in the process... the painting process used to use an enamle based paint... that shyt is obsoleteno one uses it any more and in some places it is illegal to buy and spray like california for example... every one uses urethane paint now... as far as car manufactures.. so i dont have a frekain clue why your even bring what macco does in to this... toyota would not use macco to paint all the cars comming off the factory..,, and now matter what different steps some car companyies use it is still bare metal that is covered with etch and then sealer and then color coat and clear coat... and little step in between is just obsolete... it all comes down to everything in that whole process being clearcoated with a urethane based clear coat...and what ever steps theydid b4 the clear coat isnt gonna make your clear coat scratch any more... if you have a scratch on your car it is cause something brushed your car or what ever happened to it... and your scion has more rock chips then your mini van cause in a little pocket rocket like a scion you ar emore likely to tail gate then you are in a mini van with your kids in it.. so there is one reason why your car has more chips...

 

Ok I don't know what I'm talking about buddy! Once again I WORK AT A DEALERSHIP IN SERVICE

 

SO holy crap maybe you could ask the pro rather than listen to what GOOGLE tells you!

 

hey honey0bucket ever heard of maaco???....i think thats a very cheap cost effective method.....i mean 500$ for a full paint job??......i dont know shyt about paint so dont look stupid tryin to skool me cuz i can care less.....but you did say there is no cheap cost effective way to paint a car....i dont think a shop that charges 2000$ for a full paint job uses the same cost effective method that maaco uses.....if it is i think someone would have caught on to this biggggg ripppp off these auto shops are doing.....nationwide.....ok buddy no need to argue with me....u seem to be pretty damn proud to be painting cars at a dealer.....lol....GOOD LUCK to you....im out

 

ohh shyt thanx krato....u already brought up the maaco point....lol......well dude u did say "no cheap cost effective" way to paint a car.......

maaco= cheap cost effective way to paint a car.....

now put a sock on it and stop arguingggggg.....geeez isnt this a site to learn from each other????.....why is people always so happy to start arguments about who knows more and who knows less.......GROW UP!!!!

 

elpresidente.... im not starting an argument im just clarifying... macco uses the same painting process as a regulare body shop... but theycut costs by not removing anything and just taping off emblems and just spraying over the door jambs and hood jambs and not lettingit bake fully and no cut and buff... it is basically a quick mask and spray... like i said you get what you pay for... but they still scuff it thenspray selaer and then base coat and clear coat...and the whole purpose of this thread was because some one said scion uses crappy paint... wel clear coat is clear coat.. the macco urethane clear is gonna scratch the same as the manufacturer

 

for the last time...were not talking about painting cars. were talking about the FACTORY painting.

im arguing because i know the facts, and he knows what he looks up on google and reads. i know the facts, i know how it works....

 

it just caught my eye how he in other words stated that there is only one way to paint a car.......u did say that buddy.....and it made me think.......now i agree that you know ur stuff and hey u should be proud of it......but some people feel cheated by scion and no matter what u say or try to school its not gonna change the way they feel about their paint....so just give it up

 

The only reason I brought maaco and other paint shop processes up is because it was orginally stated that there is only one way to paint a car. I believe that I have proven beyond a preponderance of the evidence that there are more than one specific way to paint a car.

However, you say that every single factory paint job is the same. The "same" to me means down to the minutia. The same to you paint guys means that a totally different process can be used but you will still call it the "same."

My definition of the "same = identical" and you guys definition of the "same = different" must be where we have a communication break down.

Oh well.

 

 

when i say the same i mean you have the same process... you spray sealer then you spray your color and then you spray your clear coat.. that is the same no matter what you do yeah you can sand between coats but you have to spray another layer of that same coat b4 you can move on to your next product. the only thing that does is give you a cleaner paint job as far as dust nibs..and the only difference in processes is single stage... and it is the same process except the clear and the color coat are combined and the only use that on farm equipment and theyused to use it on old ___ cars... as far as the manufacture is concearned its the same you spray selaer and then base coat and then clear coat...you cant change that.. thats always present in every piant job alllllll the same by every manufacture... and if they do some little stupid step between coats doesnt make a significant difference in the outcome of the paint... they just throw around a bunch of big words to make you think that their paint process is sooo much better... ther banking their marketing on your ignorance... and apearently its working

 

I am going to go out on a limb and say that you have no experience in chemistry.

Let's take your quote "you do some little stupid step between coats"

In some chemical processes if you don't heat the solution to a certain degree before adding another element things can turn out differently. Or if you don't stir the solution and make sure it is uniformly distributed before adding another element the end result will turn out differently.

Let's equate stirring a solution or heating a solution to " some little stupid step between coats." Because I would assume that you would view these little details as insignificant things and as a "little stupid step."

However, they are not "little stupid steps." Viewing these steps as seemingly minor details and dismissing them can produce dissimiliar results.

How does this relate to this thread you are probably thinking. Because I know you probably can't make the relation without help, as demonstrated in your previous replies.

Not only do seemingly but not minor details make a process different. Seemingly but not minor details can and will produce different results.

If I were to relate this to cooking. Sure I can throw all the ingredients in a pot shake it around and turn the oven on 500. Something will come out.

BUT, if I pay attention to the "stupid little steps" and pay attention to how long I cook it, the amount of seasoning, how long I marinate, etc. etc. I will have a better tasting result than the example above.

but if I would view that as you do, those two cooking examples would come out exactly the same right? cause stupid little steps don't matter. riiight...

 

Melissa.


Surely you aren't this foolish. I could say I am a PRO at breathing. And that is bad for your health to breath through your nose, and you should believe me because I say I am a professional on a message forum.

But, I have no proof, documentation, or anything to support my claim that breathing through your nose is bad.

Are you going to believe me?

Even though I said i was a professional on the topic of nose breathing?

And I have provided no proof.

Melissa don't be a sheep. Question what you read on the "internets" Use "the Google" to find things from sites that help you develop your own opinion. But use your discretion on the credibility of these sites. Question those who say they are pros on the "internets." Have them provide prove to support their points.

If no proof is given, then take what they say with a grain of salt.

It's not what they know. It's what they can prove that will hold up to attack.


Isleepwellwithothers and honeybisket very well be the best painters on the earth and you guys may be the best friends in the world and they may know their stuff in and out. But it still stands that until they can prove their claims, it doesn't amount to much.

 

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dude ur hilarious......and the rest of the "paint experts" let it go before this thread gets locked......i think kratos proved his point.....you guys said pretty dumb shyt for "paint experts" and 06tcfatchick you obviously dont know jack so put a sock in it cuz ur lookin real stupid post after post....good nite

 

ok you want to talk about minor details.. when you mix paint you mix it on a scale that it is accurate down to a hundreth of a gram. and the air pressure is at a rate at which your gun is set at usually 29 psi on an hvlp gun and a booth is set at a certant tempurature. but this is pertaining to a body shop... this thread started out as scion has crappy paint ... and since you are refering to scion it is the manufacturer... and they are painted in a room that is temp controled and white suit rooms... where it is regulated down to 1 parts per million... and it doesnt matter weather each manufacture uses different air pressure... which will only slightly very. and they are all sprayed by robots... but it still comes back to all your cars thinking they scratch to easily...every manufacture no matter what little thing veries... still sprays etch , sealer, base and then clear coat, and it is all urethane clear coat most likly from the same manufacture of clear. usually from dupont... and your car isnt gonna scratch easier then any other car... and all you guys that are _____in have bsp cars... black is easier to see scratches... you can wash your car and get hair line scratches... we are not here trying to talk shyt we are trying to tell you nothing is wrong with your car... but you are so stubborn that something has to be wrong with your scion tht you insist on being a jack ___.. so shut the f up... or come teach me how to paint...

 

ok you want to talk about minor details.. when you mix paint you mix it on a scale that it is accurate down to a hundreth of a gram. and the air pressure is at a rate at which your gun is set at usually 29 psi on an hvlp gun and a booth is set at a certant tempurature. but this is pertaining to a body shop... this thread started out as scion has crappy paint ... and since you are refering to scion it is the manufacturer... and they are painted in a room that is temp controled and white suit rooms... where it is regulated down to 1 parts per million... and it doesnt matter weather each manufacture uses different air pressure... which will only slightly very. and they are all sprayed by robots... but it still comes back to all your cars thinking they scratch to easily...every manufacture no matter what little thing veries... still sprays etch , sealer, base and then clear coat, and it is all urethane clear coat most likly from the same manufacture of clear. usually from dupont... and your car isnt gonna scratch easier then any other car... and all you guys that are _____in have bsp cars... black is easier to see scratches... you can wash your car and get hair line scratches... we are not here trying to talk shyt we are trying to tell you nothing is wrong with your car... but you are so stubborn that something has to be wrong with your scion tht you insist on being a jack ___.. so shut the f up... or come teach me how to paint...