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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 04:36 AM
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Has anyone mentioned the LED swap yet?

Seriously though, don't let these part lists fool you. Though you won't get 300hp on a N/A motor unless you're willing to take out some loands and max out some cards, you should consider an improved suspension and brake systems to handle however much power your car actually does wind up making.
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 05:33 AM
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would meth injection work well with my nitrous setup? i heard about pooling in the intake manifold when you go wet....any problems tc sprayers? could you rig an oil catch can to prevent this?
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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ZPIracing Scion tC All Motor Pistons 11:1
ZPIracing Scion tC Head Studs by ARP
ZPIracing Scion tC Stage 2 Head
Greddy eManage Ultimate + harnesses
RC 550cc Injectors
ZPIracing Scion tC Main Bearings
ZPIracing Scion tC Rod Bearings
DC Sports Header
ZPIracing Scion tC Full Exhaust
ZPIracing Scion tC Mid Pipe
ZPIRacing Scion tC S-Pipe
Injen CAI
ZPIracing Scion tC Crank Pulley
ZPIracing Scion tC oil Cooler kit

All that plus proper tuning should net you pretty close to 300whp

-Petey out!
Proper tuning doesn't exist for a car that can only use sub-par piggy-back computers.

Fact of the matter is, the only "tC" to get at/near/over 300 at the wheels NA has been a full race-modified NHRA track car that has to be trailered to events and comes with it's own team of mechanics

Unless you have deep deep (deep) pockets and no common sense, you shouldn't even bother shooting for this "goal."
Old Feb 17, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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firedog, as far as your question goes about dropping the temp. Nitrous Oxide= oxygen regulated by the nitrous. Although engines are called interal combustion engines, it's really more of a burn than anything else. So here goes, the oxygen has to be regulated by something, the nitrous, because if you add pure oxygen to flame you'd blow your motor on the first spray. So here's what happens, when you spray, the temp in the combustion chamber may initially drop, but i don't believe that's of any importance. The reason from more heat during the spray is that you are creating a stronger and faster burn. You gotta figure, even if you spray at 500rpm, that breaks down to about 83 revolutions per second. At a 10 second shot, 830 revs minimum, where your motor is dosed with high heat flames. If you wanna spray the right way, there's a lot of work involved. For what you pay to do it the right way and with regard to safety, you may as well go natural spend the same money and keep more of your motors reliability. 300 horses from a 4 banger is definately possible with the right upgrades and tuning. If you've really ready to spend the money to spend on all that stuff, I'd honestly stick with:

--supercharger or turbo, you'll have enough fun with everything that goes along with either
--full exhaust
--asthetics, so you can have a really nice looking car thats pretty fast, and pick up some girls with it


--just a thought--
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mattvs
ZPIracing Scion tC All Motor Pistons 11:1
ZPIracing Scion tC Head Studs by ARP
ZPIracing Scion tC Stage 2 Head
Greddy eManage Ultimate + harnesses
RC 550cc Injectors
ZPIracing Scion tC Main Bearings
ZPIracing Scion tC Rod Bearings
DC Sports Header
ZPIracing Scion tC Full Exhaust
ZPIracing Scion tC Mid Pipe
ZPIRacing Scion tC S-Pipe
Injen CAI
ZPIracing Scion tC Crank Pulley
ZPIracing Scion tC oil Cooler kit

All that plus proper tuning should net you pretty close to 300whp

-Petey out!
Proper tuning doesn't exist for a car that can only use sub-par piggy-back computers.

Fact of the matter is, the only "tC" to get at/near/over 300 at the wheels NA has been a full race-modified NHRA track car that has to be trailered to events and comes with it's own team of mechanics

Unless you have deep deep (deep) pockets and no common sense, you shouldn't even bother shooting for this "goal."
your gonna need deep pockets for the tC to be properly modiied. but deep pockets aside

you can you use the AEM stand alone, with what i listed and yes add coil overs and probably the stop tech stage 2. but no one knows till its tried.
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 12:43 AM
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I see this, and think that one might need a budget of 5k for the motor alone, and another 2k for suspension and brakes.
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 12:56 AM
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If you want a 300 hp Tc, just go get a G35, probably the same price and less of a headache.
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 01:47 AM
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G35 the same price as 300hp tc?...!!/????...!!???
you guys keep on saying that its cheaper to got turbo or supercharger than it is to run nitrous safely but its not really safe nitrous kit $1500-$ 2,000...turbo kit 5-6 thousand...
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:02 AM
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hey man i can take on g35 without a problem with a 75 shot and they always seem suprised and ask damn what you got under the hood and i tell them im stock lol
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:08 AM
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TC_by_trd have you ever dynoed you car when you spray?...you should be at 280 hp right?

ps. im assuming you have intake headers and exhaust....
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:09 AM
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wait that seems a little high...260 hp?
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:12 AM
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all i have is intake and the headers are coming next and i have the trd exhaust and no im only doing a 75 shot so 160+75=235 but im guessin around 220 or proly more cause i also took an a wrx (from a roll) and took him bad by cars the g35 was only by like half a car he was rigt next to me but after i hit 120 he passed me cause he has 6 speeds
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FIREDOG
G35 the same price as 300hp tc?...!!/????...!!???
you guys keep on saying that its cheaper to got turbo or supercharger than it is to run nitrous safely but its not really safe nitrous kit $1500-$ 2,000...turbo kit 5-6 thousand...
When you consider ALL the factors, such as

-Time to build this 300hp motor, or costs in labor.
-Costs of parts
-Costs of parts that break or blow up from increased wear
-Costs of specialized tools to install the parts, whether stock replacements or not
-Cost of the REQUIRED 93 octane for the rest of the motor's life.
-Increased fuel usage and costs associated.
-Cost of dyno tuning to get safe, consistent AFR's (just a fuel map won't do, you have to do ignition timing tables as well. You're looking at $400+ in just tuning to get it perfect.)
-Costs of the tires you're going to roast.
-Equity in the vehicle you lose because it's been modified.
-Increase in insurance if they ever find out it's been modified.
-Warranty you completely void.
-Legal issues arising from failing smog tests and visual inspections.
-Hassles from police in certain areas what expressly prohibit modified vehicles.
-Increased noise.
-Decreased driveability and utility.
-Generalized risk of overall failure... (not designed to handle it in the first place.)
-Risks of blowing it up in the middle of nowhere if you go on a road trip.

and to top it all off...


The fact that one accident can cause you to lose it all. You can't replace the tuning time, the efforts, and often, the parts with insurance money, if you get any.


That is why you should just buy a kickass sports car outright, keep it stock, and have fun with it when you can. Besides, you'll never impress the ladies with zipties and duct-tape.

If you modify the car, then do it within your reason and your budget. I've got a few boltons, but none that void local laws, reduce creature comforts, or cause me undue concern. If I want, I can forget they're there, and no one would ever know the difference.... even if I sold the car to another person as-is!
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:39 AM
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thats precisly why i am going the nitrous route^
-its only there where i want and need it..
-i can purge which will impress any ladies...
- i'm not spending a third of the cars price on just power...
-im going for I/H/E/Nitrous (when it comes to power)...which will put me ahead or at least next to anything stock...and will only cost $3000....those other three that could go towards a turbo will be going into a very nice sound system and suspension...
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:43 AM
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damn 3000 bucks for nitrous??? i spent total 400 bucks lol well i did get the kit from my friend and it was originally 800 bucks what is the 2200 going too? i know intake and headers and exhaust are not 2200
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 02:58 AM
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I/H/E/Nitrous(this is with all the extra,bottle warmers blow down tubes and what not, and tuning)=$3,000 + coilovers//swaybars/motor mounts/nice flashy loud system=$6,000 (the price of just a turbo, all extras not included)
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 03:01 AM
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oh well i only have one bottle and also no blowdown tubes or bottle warmer and so on i jus have what i need lol and for a 75 shot you dont really need bottle warmer. and there is no real tunin to be done, jus look at the way your spark plugs look and you know how your running man you can do the "tunnig" your self
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 03:21 AM
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yeah but i want to get all the power from my spray, and the only way to do that would be with a proper dyno tune...plus running to lean can kill my engine.....the bottle gets cold when you spray the bottle warmer keeps the bottle pressure and keeps that 75 shot at a 75....
the blow down tube is a feature that keeps my safety more than anything, i dont want nitrous in my engine cabin,and leaky valves are supposudly not that uncommon
im thinking about getting an extra bottle because i will probably purge more than i spray .....
and i belive the window switch will keep the traction with the tc due to its lack of an lsd...
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 03:30 AM
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well i live in texas and its hot as hell all year round so i dont need a bottle warmer and i havent notice my bottle get cold when i spray and i know im gettin a full 75 shot with jus lookin at the plugs you can tell whats going on inside the engine and im not running rich nor lean im in the perfect zone and you dont need a window swith man jus make sure you spray on sexond gear and you will always get a grip you cant spray in first
Old Feb 19, 2007 | 03:36 AM
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Hey I haven't looked over the past pages as to whether this has been said or not. But since we are talking about 300hp through natural aspiration why not swap in the new camry v6? It's close enough with 268hp. Some simple mods to that ough to net you near 300. lol Although just the swap itself would be pretty sick. Considering the Camry V6 runs the standing quarter at 14.3 seconds according to some sources. I'm sure eventually someone will have the ***** and/or money to put the motor in the tC. Dream on ____ing dreamers.



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