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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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So you just ate your own words lol

the engine produces 160hp 163tq at the flywheel
And you dyno'ed your car and it only makes 140HP

hmmmmmm

who was rite??

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BlkSandPrlTurbotC
So you just ate your own words lol

the engine produces 160hp 163tq at the flywheel
And you dyno'ed your car and it only makes 140HP

hmmmmmm

who was rite??

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you do know your both saying the exact same thing dont you? But your trying to say he is wrong and you are right?
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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flywheel HP and wheel HP are different, im just tryin to put some of you in prospective of the factory claimed HP vs measured WHP. thats all

if you read my thread carefully, youll understand wat i said.
looks lik only a few actually read an understood it
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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i understood it,
i'm just bustin yo *****!
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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The factory measures the HP at the flywheel (back of the engine where the trans connects to). The horsepower is less at the wheels because of friction and reciprocating mass . The rule of thumb is subtract 15% of the Flywheel power to find the power at the Wheels. A longer piston stroke (how far the piston moves up and down) = more torque, shorter stroke = higher horsepower. These are just rules of thumb and may change depending on certain modifications
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kutsuju_dj
its to early to bring out the big words.... hahaha just kiddin..... but yea so thats basiclly why peepz who like to race get lighter wheels, dont put systems in there car, strip there interior before they go to the track.............. thats why i bought some light ___ wheels......... oh yea...
same here and what a difference it makes.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cq107
factory is rated at the flywheel. dyno's mesuare your bhp at the wheels, so there is going to be bhp loss due to the transmission and other things driven by the engine (alternator for instance)...
Dynos don't measure your "BHP" at the wheels. BHP stands for "break horsepower" and BHP is measured by a dyno at the engine's output shaft. This is before the weight of a flywheel or the weight of wheels/tires/driveshafts/whatever other centrifical mass is between your EOS and wheels.

Front wheel horsepower (FWHP) would be the measure of horsepower at the front wheels, not BHP.

If someone has a question please make sure you know what the hell you're talking about before you offer any information.
Old Feb 22, 2005 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Revilo2
what about the torque of the tc? it has more torque than hp... this is rare to seen in a car... do i'm right?
Go to www.howstuffworks.com and look through the "auto" section. It contains alot of good info about cars in general and in the transmission part it explains the whole flywheel thing you were wanting to know about. Also it has a section for turbo chargers versus Super chargers that contains alot of useful info.
Old Feb 22, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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The factory measures the hp and tq of the engine at the engine. When the engine is in the car the only way to know the actual hp then is on a dyno. The dyno measure the wheel hp but for the engine hp to go through the drivetrain (clutch ,flywheel, transmission, cv axles, tires) you lose aprox 15-20% of the engine hp. This is why you see the diffrent numbers but if you want to know what the engine hp and tq are after mods, just dyno the car before any mods are done which in my case it was 138hp and 147 tq. After I installed an intake it was 147hp and 154 tq. Just see what the diffrence is 9hp and 7tq just add to engine hp and tq and thats what you have at the engine. which is 169 hp and 170 tq.
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by i64X
Originally Posted by cq107
factory is rated at the flywheel. dyno's mesuare your bhp at the wheels, so there is going to be bhp loss due to the transmission and other things driven by the engine (alternator for instance)...
Dynos don't measure your "BHP" at the wheels. BHP stands for "break horsepower" and BHP is measured by a dyno at the engine's output shaft. This is before the weight of a flywheel or the weight of wheels/tires/driveshafts/whatever other centrifical mass is between your EOS and wheels.

Front wheel horsepower (FWHP) would be the measure of horsepower at the front wheels, not BHP.

If someone has a question please make sure you know what the hell you're talking about before you offer any information.
Yes, your BRAKE Horsepower is what is referred to as BHP. This is basically the amount of horsepower it takes to STOP an engine at the flywheel. hence "brake" horsepower... and I think everything else was explained pretty well
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