Aem is the way to go! No ifs ands or buts about it.

 

im not tryna be rude but i know about AEM EMS. i obviously dont want that if i didnt ask about that. i asked about what anybody knew about V-manage. not "is v-manage better than AEM EMS?" i dont want to hear about how sum1 prefers EMS. i know that system is the ish! but i really dont have the bux for that. and i dont want a standalone cuz im not tryna go to crazy amounts of boost. 6 or 7 psi and sumthing that better regulates partial throttle and vvti as well as not losing all the little quirky add ons that scion threw into the car like the needle jump at start up and stuff like that. thats why this unit appeals to me. so like i said. not being rude but can we keep our comments regarding to the GREDDY V-Manage!? thanx fellows.

by happenstance i actually talked to one of the shops that sponsors my club here and the guy there had just gotten back from a Greddy training thing. they went over V-Manage, Emanage blue and Ultimate and showed sum soon to be released parts and such. he said the V-Manage is scheduled for release very soon like within a week to a month or so they wil have their first units. apparently he was taken aback with the ease of use for tuning with the E and V manage. im excited about its release. and the Japanese Greddy Guy (lol) told him that if he ever needed maps for any car just call him up....in japan....and he would shoot the maps over to him direct from his own mad scientist Greddy designing mind. thats whats up. Tuned by Greddy direct! YAY

 

i dont know about u but i rather take a standalone ems than a band-aid fix like any of the greddy piggy backs, like others have said peace of mind is priceless. of course stuff can still go wrong with anything aftermarket but why risk the ecu running the wrong fuel or timing and blow ur engine. i know the 2zz and the 2az engines are not alike but for example when i had my celica people ran emanage blue for a while and some blew their engine because when they were boosting the ecu overrode the commands from the emanage and what do u know blown engine. granted the 2az ecu might be more lenient to mods that the 2zz but the chance is still somewhat greater than a standalone.

 

^that may be so but EMS definately cost ssooooooo much more and for my purposes which wont exceed 7 PSI it wont be bad. 6 psi on the stage 0 kit doesnt even REQUIRE a emanage. i just want to fine tune my ish. and i dont want to spend 2 Gs to do it. so the emanage and v manage will serve my purposes nicely.

 

that is retarded. peace of mind is nice, but not priceless. if the damn unit costs as much as the car forget that crap. 2k dollars for a standalone, if you constantly race your car, get one. if not, its completely not worth it. band aid fix the other guy calls it? bull____ these emanages have been being used for years. that a long time for a band aid to stay intact wouldnt you say? on a positive note im all for vmanage. hopefully it will yield results that will make me want to rip my motor apart and build it up.

 

back on topic please.

 

WOW, its been since April and V-manage still didn't come out for the tC? In Greddy.com, it shows only WRX STI and EVO... not the tC?! Hopefully they'll come out soon

 

i had an honda and i had the vtec opening at 3500 rpm bood it wasn't F/I
my ? is
does it work better wehn you are s/c to be controling the vvt-i
or can it damage the engine?

 

I gues it works better. since you can advance the RPM... and then retard when the boost hits.
i am not a tuner but i assume that would be logic.

 

sweet

 

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys but the V-manage will not work alone with the E-manage unit, you need to get the easy poncams as well to realise the full potential.

EVOs and REXs are very popular now and Greddy did the V-manage as a direct response and challenge to HKS 264/272 high cams. This is for some users who tune with the E-manage Ultimate.

The product comes direct from Japan and as a rule they don't do 2AZFE since its a family car motor for their local market.

For FI guys, I see RIPPMODS s/c camshaft + V-manage as the ONLY option now for such a purpose since the cam profile would induce a longer valve lift duration over xxx degree.

This would work IMO

 

So the V- manage will work with an e-manage ?

 

It's suppose to, isn't it? I hear from some users that its an add-on module to the e-manage unit and does not function as a stand-alone kind of gadget. Only the CAMCON does, I used to have that till I went turbo.

 

correct...the v-manage was designed to work in conjunction with the E-manage, but it can act as a stand alone device as it works off of pre programmed and adjustable maps included with the software.
As far as the CAMCON goes, what was your thoughts on that unit Sleepermod? I had used one when they were first released to the US on my turbo xB and was fairly dissapointed in its capabilities. Definitely not impressed with the weak caliber of a product that PE Japan designed and put their name on.

 

do they have it up for sale yet for a scion or no?

 

I dont believe they have a 2AZ specific PnP setup for it yet

 

For the CAMCON, its fine if you have mainly upgraded hardware stuff like Short Ram Intake, Cold Air Intake, headers, exhaust (cat/catless). Basic mods that give you about 20-30hp increases. It was meant mainly to accomodate moderate increases in power or retweak fueling needs + intake cam duration to suit that additional power.

For FI applications, it is grossly inadequate as the % value dialled in is not fine enough in terms of the resolution + it tops out at -10% for fuel + its based on rpm and not pressure (MAP). If bigger injectors like 550cc are used over stock, it would still be very rich, no control there.

The cam settings again are +/- 20 degrees. For us, the adjustment is only at the intake side of the cam. Again as mentioned, for FI applications, it is inadequate because of the feulling control in the same unit.

Just for thought, what if you used the CAMCON for VVT-i retardation (intake) + piggyback (MAP) for FI applications? I'm thinking it just might work!

As a general rule, valve timing should have minmal overlap for FI applications. The Supra community always disables the VVT-i when they crank up their juices (btw, they have both intake+exhaust cam controls)