Notices
Scion tC 1G Forced Induction Turbo and supercharger applications...

Motor Damage Due to Overboosting (w/pics)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 22, 2009 | 05:01 PM
  #61  
GUNNIST14's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 669
From: Ocoee, FL
Default

Shame people want immediate power without knowing the consequences of what it brings. Do it right the first time and you can enjoy it forever. Hope your buddy learns that patience is a virtue.
Old Feb 22, 2009 | 05:52 PM
  #62  
chad_buckwalter's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scion Evolution
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 254
From: Hempfield Township, PA
Default

Originally Posted by GUNNIST14
Shame people want immediate power without knowing the consequences of what it brings. Do it right the first time and you can enjoy it forever. Hope your buddy learns that patience is a virtue.
So do i since he is now going to be a father of two children
Old Feb 22, 2009 | 09:45 PM
  #63  
Crayola_G's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 916
From: Miami, FL
Default

lol welcome 2 my world.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 07:41 PM
  #64  
OC3RULZ's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
OhioScions
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 139
From: Columbus, OH
Default

If he's willing to sell the cylinder head I'll buy it for $150
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 09:39 PM
  #65  
Complication's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scinergy
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 863
From: Atizzle
Default

Originally Posted by OC3RULZ
If he's willing to sell the cylinder head I'll buy it for $150
did you see that picture? I believe you'd be better off buying a 150dollar paper weight. at leas one of those won't scratch your desk.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 10:48 PM
  #66  
OC3RULZ's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
OhioScions
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 139
From: Columbus, OH
Default

I didn't see any damage to the bottom of the cylinder head, other than the valves. No chunks of aluminum missing. Head gasket looked good. He simply melted his pistons and blew them out the bottom. My offer still stands.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 10:55 PM
  #67  
jsg93085's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 660
Default

did you miss the roasted valves?
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 10:58 PM
  #68  
OC3RULZ's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
OhioScions
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 139
From: Columbus, OH
Default

i would rebuild the head. what do you think I am gonna do slap this on a car as-is? The head is structually sound from what I can see. Thats all I need, I have 2 built motors and one needs a new head. This head fits the bill
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:01 PM
  #69  
jasonrs2's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
1UP Crew
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,580
From: Miami, FL
Default

i dont have friends like this...
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:52 PM
  #70  
OC3RULZ's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
OhioScions
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 139
From: Columbus, OH
Default

PM sent
Old Feb 24, 2009 | 12:47 AM
  #71  
crmckjr's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 35
From: south Mississippi
Default

I also have been running Treadstone at 9 psi without tuning, for over a year and had no problems what so ever.
Old Feb 24, 2009 | 06:47 AM
  #72  
chad_buckwalter's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scion Evolution
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 254
From: Hempfield Township, PA
Default

Originally Posted by crmckjr
I also have been running Treadstone at 9 psi without tuning, for over a year and had no problems what so ever.
9 psi on a velocity stack MAF adapter "so called tuning" is one thing put a boost controller on there peak boost reading at 16.2 psi is a whole different ball game. In my book you need engine management NO MATTER WHAT
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 04:50 PM
  #73  
sevnofspades's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 117
Default

just read up on this...wow completely trashed the entire engine. Here is the thing, Treadstone claims on their website, if you are running the 7 or 9 lb boost, you do not need managment. Has anyone ever called them out on this?
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 04:59 PM
  #74  
kileil's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 852
From: Scottsdale, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by sevnofspades
just read up on this...wow completely trashed the entire engine. Here is the thing, Treadstone claims on their website, if you are running the 7 or 9 lb boost, you do not need managment. Has anyone ever called them out on this?
the post before you mentions he was running about 16psi, thats waaaay outside Treadstones recommended specs.
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 09:28 PM
  #75  
sevnofspades's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 117
Default

Agreed, but many have said never boost w/o management. I am assuming Treadstones "tune"
isn't comparable to say F/IC and a tuner @ 7-9psi. I would like to see a comparison of the 2.

___

Last edited by MR_LUV; Aug 22, 2021 at 07:46 PM. Reason: Awarded 10 Yr Badge
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 10:10 PM
  #76  
jsg93085's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 660
Default

treadstone's "tune" involves the velocity stack that the maf sensor sits on
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 11:38 PM
  #77  
Steventc07's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 613
From: Suffolk, VA
Default

Originally Posted by ValenciaS
Im installing my turbo kit next week. I had no clue about force induction, i have been on scion life for about 6 months and learned ALOT before i actually decided to boost. Just wanted to thank everyone on the forums . As for the blown motor "ouch" no management come on now. He should have known better.
+1

But, I am not exactly sure when I'm gonna have it all done, but by this summer....hopefully even the beginning of May, I should be running a Dezod S1 kit. But yea I have definitely learned a lot from you guys. I havent really posted much in the F/I section...just read. Been waiting for a reliable kit to come out so this doesnt happen to me. But yea thanks guys
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 07:33 AM
  #78  
Syldrin's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scinergy
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,168
From: Vista, CA or Camp Pendleton
Default

soooo i just saw this thread and you have to be effing kidding me.
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 08:18 AM
  #79  
Mouse's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member
SL Member
Scinergy
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,569
From: 5280
Default

LOL.... just because some people can hold a wrench and take things apart / put parts on an engine...doesn't mean they should.
Hell I've been building performance/custom cars and engines for a long, long time...but even with all my experience, I've haven't been in on a F.I. install yet...so it only makes sense to consult those with a lot of experience BEFORE you try something new. That way they don't end up like that noob with a trashed engine.
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:30 PM
  #80  
chad_buckwalter's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scion Evolution
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 254
From: Hempfield Township, PA
Default

Originally Posted by Mouse
LOL.... just because some people can hold a wrench and take things apart / put parts on an engine...doesn't mean they should.
Hell I've been building performance/custom cars and engines for a long, long time...but even with all my experience, I've haven't been in on a F.I. install yet...so it only makes sense to consult those with a lot of experience BEFORE you try something new. That way they don't end up like that noob with a trashed engine.
Exactly, I told the kid Id do the install and have him tuned but nope lets not listen to someone who knows what there talking about because thats the kinda people that are always wrong. I believe thats how his brain functions which is sad. haha



All times are GMT. The time now is 04:15 PM.