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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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Reading Tech articles, they always point in the direction of having smaller intercooler pipes, for the purpose of the smaller the pipe, the faster the air will travel through to the engine.
You are correct, that the smaller the intercooler piping, the higher the velocity of the air traveling through it. However, there's more to that than velocity. Without getting into the discussion of Bernoulli's equation, fluid dynamics, thermal dynamics, potential energy, conservation of energy, etc. etc; basically when a given volume of air travels through a tube, the smaller the tube, the faster the air moves but at the same time the local pressure decreases. Too small and you loose air pressure and too big, you loose air velocity. Basically you can't make 500whp running 1" intercooler piping at the same time you will get massive turbo lag running 4" intercooler piping on a 200whp setup. We're running 3" i/c piping to allow us to make power in excess of 500hp--when the time comes--with minimal pressure loss at the same time, we are keeping the i/c piping as short and straight as possible to reduce turbo lag and increase throttle response.

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Originally Posted by Ptuningcom
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Reading Tech articles, they always point in the direction of having smaller intercooler pipes, for the purpose of the smaller the pipe, the faster the air will travel through to the engine.
You are correct, that the smaller the intercooler piping, the higher the velocity of the air traveling through it. However, there's more to that than velocity. Without getting into the discussion of Bernoulli's equation, fluid dynamics, thermal dynamics, potential energy, conservation of energy, etc. etc; basically when a given volume of air travels through a tube, the smaller the tube, the faster the air moves but at the same time the local pressure decreases. Too small and you loose air pressure and too big, you loose air velocity. Basically you can't make 500whp running 1" intercooler piping at the same time you will get massive turbo lag running 4" intercooler piping on a 200whp setup. We're running 3" i/c piping to allow us to make power in excess of 500hp--when the time comes--with minimal pressure loss at the same time, we are keeping the i/c piping as short and straight as possible to reduce turbo lag and increase throttle response.

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Oh, cool Ptuning. Thanks for the info. I wonder what size Brian (Jester's) pipes are. He made 555whp.
Old Jul 25, 2008 | 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ptuningcom
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Reading Tech articles, they always point in the direction of having smaller intercooler pipes, for the purpose of the smaller the pipe, the faster the air will travel through to the engine.
You are correct, that the smaller the intercooler piping, the higher the velocity of the air traveling through it. However, there's more to that than velocity. Without getting into the discussion of Bernoulli's equation, fluid dynamics, thermal dynamics, potential energy, conservation of energy, etc. etc; basically when a given volume of air travels through a tube, the smaller the tube, the faster the air moves but at the same time the local pressure decreases. Too small and you loose air pressure and too big, you loose air velocity. Basically you can't make 500whp running 1" intercooler piping at the same time you will get massive turbo lag running 4" intercooler piping on a 200whp setup. We're running 3" i/c piping to allow us to make power in excess of 500hp--when the time comes--with minimal pressure loss at the same time, we are keeping the i/c piping as short and straight as possible to reduce turbo lag and increase throttle response.

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ah yes, that makes sense. In a nutshell, it is all about balancing the set-up (Turbine size, ic pipe size and target power)on what the application will be intended for... street ,strip or road race. So i was wrong about the ic pipe sizing, I guess the exhaust sizing has a huge affect on spool time as well aside from just increasing flow and power...
I'm not a turbo expert, but from putting in a lot of hours on the P Tuning tC im sure I can provide some answers. I leave the technical engineering aspects aside most the time because the smarts behind that are Toan and Cuong. It is a pleasure to work beside them on this car because I have learned so much, and they are meticulous about EVERY aspect of this tC.
The turbo set-up on it is very efficient( fitment, quality, size matching, power delivery) I can tell you that you guys are in for a real treat when we offer this turbo kit in the future
Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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I LOVE this car!
Old Aug 1, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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You should see it in person. Looks even better than in the pics.
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Originally Posted by HyPn0TiC
You should see it in person. Looks even better than in the pics.
I saw it at the luau.. thats where I fell in love
Old Aug 1, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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I WANT!
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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I saw this car and i...... JIZZED in my pants
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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I drive an auto-yes yes make fun of me, but it was before i knew to drive manual.
Anyway, is this avalible for auto? and if so, what price and what other mods would I need to make to my car to get this fully running and set up, and for safety is pistons, headers and suspension needing replacement?? Please help
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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^^ theyre working on an auto setup.. im sure that auto turbo kit will come with everything you need.. when it comes to making power, you motor will be safe.. its you transmission that would not hold.. if you want to get most of the turbo kit, switch to standard
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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How much is a conversion going to cost?
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 08:59 PM
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not sure about that, that depends how much you get you new tranny and the labor it costs.. you have to buy a new clutch for it too plus the conversion stuff
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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From what Ive heard it can cost anywhere from 3K to 5K to have the coversion done. Finding the parts is easy if you can find a TC in a junkyard/. Will save alot that way. Then its time casue it may take a while if small pieces are missing to.... Ptuning is doing a conversion to my car right now.
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How much is a conversion going to cost?
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 09:20 PM
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Still not done so no final price... but its expensive so far.... lets say my wallets not too happy.

Their is a sticky about the conversion in the drivetrain section(too lazy to go find thread) just go look at thta. It helped me out.
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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I am not gonna convert, thats wayy too expensive.
I spent money being dumb to make it an AUTO why spend another 2300 to make it a manual.
Thats just not good nope lol.
I do know this, I need a catback exhaust first, to maximize the sound of the power i will follow it with a Ptunning SS Spec turbo, and that comes with headers??
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I am just not sure what catback exhaust will run good with that, and Im tryin to research but im not doing to good.
I am thinking a greddy catback exhaust or injen.
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When you boost the header gets replaced with the turbo manifold...

Honestly if you didnt know that might wanna learn more before taking a leap like boosting. Just my 2cents
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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I wouldn't hold my breath for an auto version of the PTuning kit.
Old Mar 21, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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^ gonna have agree that it would look nice but due to the lack of power the tans can take you cant truely benefit from a kit like the ptuning one. I would've still rocked it on my auto since I love everything ptuning has put out for the car thus far



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