Reason..$$$. You're looking at a few grand there for all those carbon fiber body pieces. On top of that you have to throw in another few grand to repaint the exterior of the car.

If we we're building a TA car in the unlimited class and had the backing of a few generous sponsors, we would be doing a lot more radical setup than what we have planned for this car. As it stands now, the car is 100% funded by us, PTUNING.

A lot of performance parts that we have already developed or developing including: turbo, engine, suspension, etc. will be tested on our race car. That way we will know what works and what doesn't, before we offer the product for sale.

MrC

 

i applaud you guys for what you are doing with this car. it looks like its going to be quite a fast car. the work looks top notch, and i like how you are giving periodic updates with pictures. keep up the good work.

 

yea i was gonna bring up the cf fenders but my buddy got them for his skyline and they weigh significantly more... If you guys ever come up to lime rock be sure to let me know if you are offering and rides around the track.

 

Thanks for the recognition. We hope to find out how fast she is in a few months. As you can see, we are very detail oriented with everything we design and build. Every performance upgrade has to serve a purpose and not just bling. We hope in developing this race car, we will know the limitations of the tc in terms of chassis and engine. What we learn, we can apply torwards developing better performance upgrade for the scion tC and be able to offer a better product to the public.

We wanted to build a car that your average tc owner can relate to and can reproduce easily if they wanted to--definitely not a RWD drift tC. There's no 6 figure one-off part here. Every performance part on our car may eventually be put into production and tc owners can easily buy it without out going through all the time, effort and expense we've put into each of the custom component we developed on our car.

We'll keep everyone updated with our progress. BTW, we are expecting some tough competition from the Honda camp running the TA Modify class this year.

MrC

 

This is why i preach about this shop! I have had sooo many people ask me about them and i just say "try them out yourself. You won't be disappointed!" Great people to talk to, always willing to answer questions, and down to earth! Stay tuned for all the things to come from PTUNING for us Scion people

 

watching

 

everything I have seen from you all has been great! Keep up the great work!

 

I'm liking PTunning right now! Looking good guys, looking good. It's good to see another tuner that is a bonafied "RACE" shop give us that edge that we have been missing (imo). We only had it once, now we have it again in you guys. Everything else has been "buy parts" type of stuff. But it's nice to see a company that has the guts to give us that race edge.

Question about the Radiator and oil cooler. Are you planning on changing the front bumper? I saw the Kaminari front bumper in one of the pics, and I thought the opening on that bumper was rather small as far as providing sufficient air flow to the cooling components.

Also, to hit on the carbon fiber components. Currently, I run Carbon fiber fenders, and hood. Soon, a hatch, and the Kaminari roof. I was under the impression that the rules have a specific dictation on carbon fiber components on the car in respect to the class you are trying to run in. I am going the TA route with my tC as well, but wanted to stay in the Street class. I reckon I will be in the modified though according to the rules on body components.

Also, not sure if it was asked or not, but what EMS are you guys using for the car?

 

Although we've been in the performance industry since 1999 and we've worked on pretty much every import car on the road. Our focus has been primarily on forced induction. The majority of our servicing and tuning business has always been from other makes and not necessarily scions. Although we service and tune most of the scions in the mid-atlantic region.

We have never been a big fan of import drag racing--at least not where it is today. Though many of our customers drag race, we wanted to compete in a racing venue that involved more than just brute hp; something that included not only engine setup but also supension setup and driving technique. And most importantly, something that your average tc owner can easily do.

The Red Line Time Attack was the perfect racing event for us. The rules allow us to experiment without being penalized for everything. It's like street racing without breaking the law and at the same time in a safer environment--race what you brung. Even though rules are in place to give everyone a fair shot at winning, the rules aren't so restrictive that they limit tuner shops like us from experimenting with engine modifications and suspension and chassis setup. The thing we like about the TA events that makes it accessible to your average driver is that it's not wheel to wheel racing so chances of another driver hitting your daily driver on the course is very unlikely. The main component that separates one class from another is tires and not engine modifcations. So running 400hp on a front wheel drive car on street tires for the street class is not going to get you anywhere faster.

We're using the TA events to test and develop a lot of peformance parts for the tC. The amount of time and money we've invested so far for one platform is beyond what most company will take on. We take pride in everything we develop. We don't believe in making a performance part that doesn't perform. We like to prototype, dyno test and road test everything we develop in house before we put it into productions and release it to the public. This is the reason why every good product takes time to develop. Most company, would not spend 20+ hours of dyno time testing one exhaust system and you'd be lucky if you see a dyno sheet for the exhaust system. But we don't believe in selling just anything to make a buck or just to say we also have something for your car. I don't know any scion shop or any performance shop that's going to spend $20K+ just to make head studs, main studs and billet main caps for one motor (2az-fe).

If you compare our turbo exhaust system to any other turbo exhaust system on the market, even for other cars, you will realized it's the top of the line system. We are not in the business to make a part that will cater to everyone, but what we produce will be a "premium" product with test data to back it up. Like we stated before, if we can't make a better mouse trap, we're not going to make one at all.

What the tC community can expect from our TA effort is a lot of new and exciting performance products. The ultimate test for any performance products is testing it on the track. If it can handle the abuse on the track, it can easily handle the day to day driving on the road. Even though we only race our tC in one TA event last year, we discover a lot of issues with the tC platform. We're using that information to develop products to overcome some of those limitations for future events.

We take pride in saying that our TA tC is 100% funded and developed by PTUNING. This includes, the turbo system, the radiator, the I/C, the exhaust system, the roll cage, the suspension setup and the tuning. Expect a lot more "engineered" performance products from us shortly.

Getting back to your questions. We don't know all the details for the TA stock class rules but you can get the information here: http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/doc...lesV.2.2.8.pdf

As for the Kaminari body kit. This kit was part of our original show car we built for Scion Corp of the Mid-Atlantic Region. We didn't want to invest more money into the body work at this time, since we've already invested so much time and money in other parts of the car. However, we will be tastefully modifying the front bumper to offer additional airflow to the I/C and radiator for this year's TA event.

As for ECU, we will still run the e-manage ultimate with the pressure sensor and a blow-through MAF setup. Once we implement the tC's wideband O2 spoofing for the close loop feedback, It's going to be the closest thing to a standalone ecu for the tC without having to deal with auxiliary controls that the factory ecu is so good at (OBDII-compliant, DBW, Startup, Idle, etc). But that's not to say that we aren't working on a standalone system for those all-out race setup.

We've successfully tune the e-manage ultimate on a turbo supra, eliminating the factory MAF sensor, when others said could not not be done. We've also tuned a 3000GT making 470 DDwhp or 525 DJwhp, also with the e-manage ultimate. It's a very nice ecu for what you're paying.

MrC

 

^^Very nice MrC....very nice. I look forward to you guys effort, and for sure get my support.

My thoughts EXACTLY....TA is a driver sport and requires a complete all-encompasing setup of driver/car. That's what turned me into a TA type guy.

(still don't mind beating down the 1320 from time to time either....)

 

Bleh drag racing is in my blood. i've been at it since i was 10. But i can't wait for the new track to open out here to get some TA going.

 

Does this mean you will be developeing a bolt on kit for the tC? Cause I can't see the one on your TA car being and off the shelf item for mass market!

 

Yes, we are currently developing two turbo kits for the tc. A TA race version like the one on our TA tC and a more toned-down streetable version for the masses.

Will the turbo kits be cheap? No, cheap and turbokit should never be used in the same sentence. Will it be affordable? Yes.

MrC

 

how do i get a red valve cover like that one

 

i have a question. shouldn't the runners on the manifold be around the same size as the exhaust housing? or does it not matter? just wondering. i just figured with the exhaust mani having a larger "collector" so to speak. that the exhaust housing would cause unwanted turbulance. just curious.

 

O MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! That has to be the MOST custom work i have ever seen in a single tC.......well that is. Except for the 739 whp tC out there. so by time you guys are all done with this tC what kind of numbers do you think you will be running?

 

The runners you're referring to is known as the merge collector. The one you see there on our prototype manifold started out as a 5"L merge collector, which we shorten down to 4" during prototyping. That is the reason why the bottom of the merge collectors looks larger than it needs to be. However, the merge collector on the manifold has and extra taper at the bottom and ported on the inside of the flange for a smooth merge into the turbo flange. Again, this is just a prototype for fitment testing and fabrication of the downpipe and wastegate dumptube. The production manifold will have a narrower 4" merge collector (and not a 5" shortened to 4").

MrC

 

To hit 739whp, we will need to make 650whp on our dyno dynamics--that's a lot of power, definitely not usuable or reliable for road racing. We don't want to speculate at this time on the numbers. There's so many variables that we have to test, including cylinder head work, turbo camshafts, intake manifold, turbo size, etc. etc.

MrC

 

I should have known you would of already thought of that. thanks for clarifying.