Originally Posted by DezodDon

I would agree if this was a Tubular manifold but log manifolds made from Sch 40 304 SS are damn near bomb proof.......however. If you do not use the supplied spring bolts that are supplied with the kit you then remove the area that is supposed to pivot. Without this pivot point you have an exhaust that now acts like a giant pry bar.

Without the springs in there to allow flex, you now have a full exhaust hard bolted with no flex point. Over time the movement and vibration will crack any weld.

You need a flex point. Whether it's a ball and socket using springs or an exhaust flex joint.

As you all can see here by the pictures that SoFloTC sent us of his setup there are no spring bolts used.

The stock header to S-pipe come with spring bolts, we supply spring bolts for the new s-pipe and downpipe. If they are not used you remove the flex out of the system, if you remove the flex out of ANY car with a turbo on it you are guaranteed to crack a manifold. In the final picture you can see that the flange is bending as well. It should not bend, because there should be a spring bolt assembly used there. There isn't even a donut gasket in there. WTF????:/

So with that said.............how is this Dezods fault?

We spend alot of time, effort and MONEY to make sure our products are as user friendly and dependable as possible. We do our best to take care of any customer complaints or questions. We must draw the line of where we take fault for something, especially when this is clearly not a manufacturer defect but more a user install error.

We provide clear instructions on our website about installing the kit. If you do not feel confident with those instructions to install the turbo kit then I would recommend taking it to a performance shop that is experienced. If someone else installed this then you should be seeking compensation from them.

We offered you a manifold at cost the first time not even knowing the circumstances. Now knowing the circumstances of how this failed we are expected to offer you a free manifold. I'm sorry but I just don't see how this is our fault.

I'm really sorry you have had this problem. If this was our fault I'm sure we could do something to take care of you but in all the kits we have produced and installed we have not seen this kind of failure. We have customers that still have their kits and have put over 60k on them. No problems.

We also have sold more kits than anyone out there so to compare Turbo Toyotas or any other kit to ours is like comparing apples to oranges, not to mention that with more kits out there pure math states your odds are higher for complaints. Which I might add, we have had very little and when and if there are problems we address them.

It's a log manifold, it's supposed to be simple to avoid these problems. It's a fairly simple kit that is meant to be reliable and supply decent power. There is very little to go wrong on the kit. I hate to say it but 9 times out of 10 if there is a problem it's usually a user error. Those of you that think that a tubular weld elbow manifold is stronger are completely wrong. Properly designed tubular manifolds have the capability to make more power on higher boost levels but they are heavier and much more prone to cracking. For proof of this do a search on Honda-Tech. That community has been turboing cars longer than any other sport compact. Big names like full race, AFI, Omni fab etc. All of them fail and they all have problems over time. It's the nature of the beast sometimes. While log manifolds may not make the most power they are hands down the most reliable due to their simple construction next to a cast manifold.

Everyone is right though, this is not a career ending failure. Fix it and keep trucking.

Originally Posted by paul_dezod

Originally Posted by paul_dezod