supercharge my tC
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hmm now im thinking about getting a ecu from ebay and sending that in to reflash ....
I say, save your money for a quality kit and plus every mod you place on your ride will probably be illegal because you live in California. I dont even think Injen Intakes are legal.
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yeah.. originally i was gonna get those.. but this effin coilovers played on my mind! so ima take the risk and give ema shot.. they have 2 yrs of warranty anyways so after 2 yrs if they ever break *knock on wood* i guess thats just time to get new set like tein h-techs right?
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pros- the sound, 60hp gain, less work then turbo(but that doesnt matter if you get a shop to install it)
cons- 60hp gain, 2k new around 1300 used(you can get a cheap turbo kit for that), really unreliable(the sc that is)
you can get a turbo kit carb legal....dezod has one
cons- 60hp gain, 2k new around 1300 used(you can get a cheap turbo kit for that), really unreliable(the sc that is)
you can get a turbo kit carb legal....dezod has one
-woah hold up here, dezod turbo kit is carb legal!? tell me if this is true?
*edit* read through more of the thread, so does that cat help keep turbo's carbb legal?
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The people who keep saying "less work than a turbo" have Never been turboed. There is NO MORE maintenance required when boosted on a turbo than there is a S/C'er. That is a MYTH....end of story. You boost on a turbo and put it on 10lbs and leave it there....you only have to change your oil and that be the jist of it. When you start to want to go faster than you make a tremendous amount of power OVER what a S/C'er ever makes. More power = More than likely other weaker components to break (clutches, gears/synchros, etc...). But again, there is no more maintenance required.
And the TRD charger does not WHINE like you hear out of a Roots Type S/C'er found on a Cobra, Cobalt SS, etc... So, the sound is not a Whine in that since.
And the TRD charger does not WHINE like you hear out of a Roots Type S/C'er found on a Cobra, Cobalt SS, etc... So, the sound is not a Whine in that since.
I can say that I have owned two turbo cars (91 turbo mr2 and a 96 ford ranger custom 2.3L turbo) and now I own my first s/c car (my 07 tc). I have been working on cars for a long time now. It was always one thing after another with turbo cars. It was either the header cracking, blown exhaust gasket, oil leak, blown turbo, loose bolts, etc, etc..... I have had my s/c on for a while and have never had had one single problem. Really the worse thing I can see happening is a bad bearing/ shaft! easy repair. This is the main reason why I got away from turbo. Got way too expensive from things breaking all the time, just was a PITA!
Yes the turbo can make a lot more power over a s/c (on a tc) but comes with a price tag and a headache!
As far as sound goes, I dont know what tc s/c you have heard but when im pulling up to a car meet there is no doubt in peoples mind that I have a s/c under the hood. When my blow off valve goes off then that gets people confused.
All in all I love my s/c and wouldnt trade it for the turbo scene. Been there done that!
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I can say that I have owned two turbo cars (91 turbo mr2 and a 96 ford ranger custom 2.3L turbo) and now I own my first s/c car (my 07 tc). I have been working on cars for a long time now. It was always one thing after another with turbo cars. It was either the header cracking, blown exhaust gasket, oil leak, blown turbo, loose bolts, etc, etc..... I have had my s/c on for a while and have never had had one single problem. Really the worse thing I can see happening is a bad bearing/ shaft! easy repair. This is the main reason why I got away from turbo. Got way too expensive from things breaking all the time, just was a PITA!
Yes the turbo can make a lot more power over a s/c (on a tc) but comes with a price tag and a headache!
As far as sound goes, I dont know what tc s/c you have heard but when im pulling up to a car meet there is no doubt in peoples mind that I have a s/c under the hood. When my blow off valve goes off then that gets people confused.
All in all I love my s/c and wouldnt trade it for the turbo scene. Been there done that!
Yes the turbo can make a lot more power over a s/c (on a tc) but comes with a price tag and a headache!
As far as sound goes, I dont know what tc s/c you have heard but when im pulling up to a car meet there is no doubt in peoples mind that I have a s/c under the hood. When my blow off valve goes off then that gets people confused.
All in all I love my s/c and wouldnt trade it for the turbo scene. Been there done that!
Turbo tC does NOT equal a turbo MR2 or Ford Ranger. You don't compare a turbo car of a completely different make and model to another car and correlate the problems with those cars and compare it to a S/C tC. That don't even make sense.
The S/C for the tC leaks like a turbo, no turbo tC has ever had a cracked head, blown headgaskets, and every other headache you mentioned with your older cars (which are decades older than a tC might I add).
You don't own a turbo "tC"...key word "tC" here. My boy has a S/C on his tC. So far he has had to replace broken brakets, oil leak in his S/C which I don't think he has had fixed yet. There are others on this form who have had a completely bone stock tC with a S/C on it....Motor blew, and they went to have it replaced under warranty and get denied, cause their stealership found some way to blame them.
Sorry, I do not recant my statement. There is no more Hassle free experience with a S/C than there is with a turbo. Turbo dudes tend to turn the **** up and want to go faster and faster, hence introducing more maintenance into the system. S/C people or people who tend to buy the S/C only want a little extra pep, and spend most of their times NOT racing. Not saying that every turbo tC races or beats on it a lot more than S/C owners, just saying that the average turbo owner I believe is going to thrash on his car a lot more than any S/C owners do.
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Nope, sorry, definitely NOT legal. I'm also fairly certain that even if the cat they're selling is "50 state legal", it's not legal to use on a tC in CA. I'm sure Dezod would make a big announcement here on SL if/when they have a CARB legal turbo kit. I really hope they can, but sure don't expect it.
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Was shocked at what you said bout the hp to dollar ratio being substantially low till you got to the "under 2k is a good buy" statement.
I like looking at it as dollar per horsepower instead.
I paid $1900 for my SC brand new then installed it myself which means I only paid $31.60 per horse power (1900/60hp). A Dezod S1 turbo kit at $3975.00 good for 100hp would be $39.75 per horsepower (3975/100hp) not including install labor (if needed).
I consider my particular experience with going forced inducted as very cheap.
Not to mention my 06 SC isht the bed as expected and TRD still replaced it with a redesigned unit even though it wasn't installed by a dealer in the first place. Warranties are a beautiful thing.
I like looking at it as dollar per horsepower instead.
I paid $1900 for my SC brand new then installed it myself which means I only paid $31.60 per horse power (1900/60hp). A Dezod S1 turbo kit at $3975.00 good for 100hp would be $39.75 per horsepower (3975/100hp) not including install labor (if needed).
I consider my particular experience with going forced inducted as very cheap.
Not to mention my 06 SC isht the bed as expected and TRD still replaced it with a redesigned unit even though it wasn't installed by a dealer in the first place. Warranties are a beautiful thing.
Your equation is a little bit off. Example your 1900/60hp. Think of what it takes to get more power out of the S/C. You would have to buy a Header/Intake/Smaller pulley. That's what another $3-400 dollars and you would be around oh say 250whp. Turbo on the other hand, not only is it already making 40 More whp, but you add $80 bucks for a boost controller, and just turn up the boost. If you can tune yourself, tuning = free. You can't tune a S/C with another reflash, you have to buy management.
Warranties are worthless. I'm about to make a thread exactly about that.
Not to mention the 05-06 TRD S/C was not $1900 brand new when it first came out. It was $3000+. NOW...$1900 is what it's worth. So, NOW the price is reasonable. The 07+ S/C is again....$3000+. They don't make them anymore so, not sure how the price is at this current moment.
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The S/C is just not in the same level as a Turbo. They are not to be compared.
Modded S/C tC vs my basic Bolt-on turbo kit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKaO...e=channel_page
Modded S/C tC vs my basic Bolt-on turbo kit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKaO...e=channel_page
Turbo tC does NOT equal a turbo MR2 or Ford Ranger. You don't compare a turbo car of a completely different make and model to another car and correlate the problems with those cars and compare it to a S/C tC. That don't even make sense.
The S/C for the tC leaks like a turbo, no turbo tC has ever had a cracked head, blown headgaskets, and every other headache you mentioned with your older cars (which are decades older than a tC might I add).
The S/C for the tC leaks like a turbo, no turbo tC has ever had a cracked head, blown headgaskets, and every other headache you mentioned with your older cars (which are decades older than a tC might I add).
''no turbo tC has ever had a cracked head, blown headgaskets, and every other headache you mentioned'' Are you kidding?
I have seen far worse then that here on SL.
cracked header... blown exhaust gaskets... is what i originally said by the way
Like I said been there done that myself with my own vehicles. If you haven't been there you don't know.
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I don't even know if it's worth adding anything to this post after all the ranting and raving.
There is always the argument turbo or supercharger. In the case of our car and the only manufacturer for the supercharger being TRD, I will reluctantly say you should get a good turbo kit.
Between seal repairs and an awfully unbalanced drive shaft on the supercharger it isn't the most well crafted things you can get for boosting power. However I did get my hands on one for my 06 and 3k miles later I am loving the extra power. I know I haven't had any problems with it, yet. I am however feeling the $ more in having to use 91 over 87 octane. But I haven't unleashed all the juice I can squeeze from her yet. I have my emanage blue and need to get in there and tweek everything since the TRD reflash is not the best....still conservative.
So....
Pro's:
More go power
The Whine
WARRANTY! (just don't get caught with mods on/to it)
Without ANY mods... still emissions legal!!!
Con's:
$ for high end fuel
the stock BPV SUCKS!!!
longevity and known issues
There is always the argument turbo or supercharger. In the case of our car and the only manufacturer for the supercharger being TRD, I will reluctantly say you should get a good turbo kit.
Between seal repairs and an awfully unbalanced drive shaft on the supercharger it isn't the most well crafted things you can get for boosting power. However I did get my hands on one for my 06 and 3k miles later I am loving the extra power. I know I haven't had any problems with it, yet. I am however feeling the $ more in having to use 91 over 87 octane. But I haven't unleashed all the juice I can squeeze from her yet. I have my emanage blue and need to get in there and tweek everything since the TRD reflash is not the best....still conservative.
So....
Pro's:
More go power
The Whine
WARRANTY! (just don't get caught with mods on/to it)
Without ANY mods... still emissions legal!!!
Con's:
$ for high end fuel
the stock BPV SUCKS!!!
longevity and known issues
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I'm on my 4th S/C, why do I keep dealing with it? because I live in Cali and the only way for me to get a bit more HP without hassles for the police is to go with a carb legal S/C, so if you're like me it is worth spending a few extra $$$ for upgrades like better shaft and bearings, etc.....if Cali didn't have strict carb laws I would deff. go turbo, so i guess it comes down to what "your" particular situation is. Let me add that both ways can have their share of head aches in their own respective ways.