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Originally Posted by 318_tC
What auto from ZPI has put down 230whp?
Dezod base map is VERY VERY safe. I ran it for 3 months. You could run there base map all day. There base map is for safety not power. Once you get it tuned, its a whole different story. I put down 227whp on the tune and with stock mid pipe. People say all day about ZPI pushing it to the limit's and this and that, im telling you few more day's and you will see the limits pushed. This whole discussion somehow turned into a Stage 0 A/F bull crap. Go Big spend cash or Blow your poop up.
Dezod kit is more expensive then ZPI because you get intercooler, intercooler piping, injectors, tranny cooler, EVERYTHING you need.
Im not trying to throw no damn sales pitch but I get sick of seeing ZPI Stage 0 stuff when people are just looking for the cheapest route.
Im sorry but people just have this image imbedded in there mind that ZPI is the AUTO GOD! No dis-respect to ZPI or am I trying to bash but I dont think that they are the poop.
Thats my opinion. We will let the numbers and the safety speak.
Dezod base map is VERY VERY safe. I ran it for 3 months. You could run there base map all day. There base map is for safety not power. Once you get it tuned, its a whole different story. I put down 227whp on the tune and with stock mid pipe. People say all day about ZPI pushing it to the limit's and this and that, im telling you few more day's and you will see the limits pushed. This whole discussion somehow turned into a Stage 0 A/F bull crap. Go Big spend cash or Blow your poop up.
Dezod kit is more expensive then ZPI because you get intercooler, intercooler piping, injectors, tranny cooler, EVERYTHING you need.
Im not trying to throw no damn sales pitch but I get sick of seeing ZPI Stage 0 stuff when people are just looking for the cheapest route.
Im sorry but people just have this image imbedded in there mind that ZPI is the AUTO GOD! No dis-respect to ZPI or am I trying to bash but I dont think that they are the poop.
Thats my opinion. We will let the numbers and the safety speak.
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Question, so where are all the blown up Stage 0 tC's? As it being one of the most popular kits ZPI sales, they sold a crap load of them, I expect there to be an abundance of complaints from people who have actually blown up right? So where are they, can they step forward please. I can't imagine anyone buying a turbo kit and NOT beating on it. So, they should have blown up by now right?
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Question, so where are all the blown up Stage 0 tC's? As it being one of the most popular kits ZPI sales, they sold a crap load of them, I expect there to be an abundance of complaints from people who have actually blown up right? So where are they, can they step forward please. I can't imagine anyone buying a turbo kit and NOT beating on it. So, they should have blown up by now right?
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
please show me a dyno from shanes car, im not saying not true but i bet he has a built tranny or something doesnt he...
Im awaiting every ZPI in the world to come bash me too
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Originally Posted by 318_tC
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Question, so where are all the blown up Stage 0 tC's? As it being one of the most popular kits ZPI sales, they sold a crap load of them, I expect there to be an abundance of complaints from people who have actually blown up right? So where are they, can they step forward please. I can't imagine anyone buying a turbo kit and NOT beating on it. So, they should have blown up by now right?
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
By the way, Shane's car has a ZPI Stage 1 on it with 12lbs of boost.
PS...it's an Auto tC, I think it's far above 230whp don't you think..
please show me a dyno from shanes car, im not saying not true but i bet he has a built tranny or something doesnt he...
Im awaiting every ZPI in the world to come bash me too
Bash you, for what? All I did was ask for proof. Where are they? No one has to act like a child. And PeteyD doesn't have engine problems bro. He NEVER once mentioned anything about engine problems. Maybe he can clarify it up for you. Secondly PeteyD doesn't have a Stage 0. And if he was having problems.....hmmm...lets see, that would be 1 car out of HOW MANY! Yeah, my thought exactly. PeteyD's car becomes the ambassador of Auto tC's. Oh, by the way, if PeteyD was having so much ENGINE trouble right, he wouldn't be making a drive all the way from TX to KY in his tC. Instead he would be trailering it right...
And I reckon you will have to talk to Shane about dyno #'s when he is able to feel better and get back to our car culture (best wishes for him). Shane's car is just an example that their is a ZPI tC with more than 230whp. Who cares what else is in it. Point is, it's Auto, and on 12lbs of boost.
And I reckon this thread is contradictory to this one...
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=141063
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First off the post I made about turbocharging an a/t was to keep people with a/t from blowing their engines. People with a/t dont relize its not the same as a m/t and it REQUIRES MORE FUEL! hense the requirement for bigger injectors! to this day i havenot had engine problems*knocks on wood*
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Originally Posted by peteyd
First off the post I made about turbocharging an a/t was to keep people with a/t from blowing their engines. People with a/t dont relize its not the same as a m/t and it REQUIRES MORE FUEL! hense the requirement for bigger injectors! to this day i havenot had engine problems*knocks on wood*
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Nobody really wants to hear about Stage 0 kits on A/T tC with a bad ECU tune -So I will shut the hell up! The only good advice I heard is go get a wide band A/F meter and find out for yourself -Then act accordingly!
If you can't afford a wide-band A/F meter you can't afford F/I.
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If you can't afford a wide-band A/F meter you can't afford F/I.
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i just wanna clear something up. lol peteyd i ddint go cheap on my turbo thank you. i had all the necessary gauges including wideband i just didnt have emanage at that time. Yes the auto stage 0 runs lean, hence why my engine blew, (think it was a spun bearing according to sean) but i also had a full exhaust pulley spipe and all so it might be different for stock cars with stage 0. But i drove 1000 before it blew
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Originally Posted by 318_tC
What auto from ZPI has put down 230whp?
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Originally Posted by g0t_rice
i just wanna clear something up. lol peteyd i ddint go cheap on my turbo thank you. i had all the necessary gauges including wideband i just didnt have emanage at that time. Yes the auto stage 0 runs lean, hence why my engine blew, (think it was a spun bearing according to sean) but i also had a full exhaust pulley spipe and all so it might be different for stock cars with stage 0. But i drove 1000 before it blew
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Originally Posted by peteyd
Originally Posted by g0t_rice
i just wanna clear something up. lol peteyd i ddint go cheap on my turbo thank you. i had all the necessary gauges including wideband i just didnt have emanage at that time. Yes the auto stage 0 runs lean, hence why my engine blew, (think it was a spun bearing according to sean) but i also had a full exhaust pulley spipe and all so it might be different for stock cars with stage 0. But i drove 1000 before it blew
Finally, a documented case. That's what I was asking for. So, now g0t_rice, your running a Stage 1 on the Auto now? 8-9PSI on your Auto is tight! Sticking next to Cobras with an Auto tC is nice.
So, have we came to a conclusion, that in the case of the AUTO tC with a Stage 0, you need Injectors to insure a degree of safety? Maybe a suggestion can be put in to add injectors to the Stage 0 package.
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I really thank Peteyd for starting a thread on the requiements of turbo tC with A/T. AUTOS are a different beast that require more fuel and are in general a little bit harder to tune because the shifting is not fully under our control.
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oh yeah kenny made the emanage ultimate his biatch. He can tune anything for the auto for your guys knowledge. and i forgive you peteyd, now line up and take it like a pro. J/W any autos running water cooled? or meth injected how is it and pics! lol
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Here is a quick pic of my current setup w/ the HKS BOV and the meth injection.
Details of the meth install can be found here
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...tage++methanol
Next on the plate will be cleaning up the wiring and adding thermal insulation to the stage 0 pipes.
Details of the meth install can be found here
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...tage++methanol
Next on the plate will be cleaning up the wiring and adding thermal insulation to the stage 0 pipes.
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I've got blue-coupler fettish and I love hose-clamps...
Actually I'll be going intercooled by next summer so this is just a temporary BOV solution that will work for either the new ZPI intercooler and/or PWR air-to-water option. I'm still on the fence Z or P -but it does not matter until next summer.
Actually I'll be going intercooled by next summer so this is just a temporary BOV solution that will work for either the new ZPI intercooler and/or PWR air-to-water option. I'm still on the fence Z or P -but it does not matter until next summer.
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Originally Posted by peteyd
Ok im posting because this seems to come up quite bit so instead of repating myself imma just do one post and everyone can refer to here. ScionDad if you can add whats needed(your the master at the auto turbos everyone knows it 
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1. Turbo Kit. ZPI/Dezod/Tubrbonetics/(whoever else sorry i forget some)
2. Tranny cooler- the one i orderd is a Flex-a-lite TransLife Transmission Coolers. 7.5x15x.75 http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku generally from what i was told you dont want one smaller then 7.5x12x.75 i dont know how true that is but thats what i was told.
3.E-Manage. Greddy/Blitz/Apexi one of those that can control and tune your your AFR
4.Gauges- Boost/Oil Pressure/AFR gauge I reccommend the aem uego its a bit pricy but the best you can buy and you can change faces :D
5.Exhuast- At minimum 2.5" no bigger is 3.0". The turbo will not like your stock exhuast
6. Turbo Timer-Greddy HKS. They all do the same function but some will have more features then others. for the love of god dont go the remote start route thats only useful when your staring your car in the morning not in the evening.
7.Gaskets- Copper is your friend remember that. ZPI is in the the process of having copper manifold gaskets produced those will be your friends once they are released.
8. Oil- thanks to killerromances for this one. make sure you change your oil to full syntheic and run at least 91 octane(93 here in tx)
That should cover all the basics you need. Addons I would recommend in no particular order.
1.FMIC
2.ESK
3.Valve Body Upgrade
4. Torque Converter
5. Boost Controller
6. Suspension Upgrade(springs/shocks/front sway bar/rear strut bar.
7. Polyurethane motor mounts
8. Stiffy(if you have to ask.....its an engine damper)
9. Tires
People with a/t turbos(therse like 3 of us) please add on to this. or the peeps who make the kits let me know what to add.
)1. Turbo Kit. ZPI/Dezod/Tubrbonetics/(whoever else sorry i forget some)
2. Tranny cooler- the one i orderd is a Flex-a-lite TransLife Transmission Coolers. 7.5x15x.75 http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku generally from what i was told you dont want one smaller then 7.5x12x.75 i dont know how true that is but thats what i was told.
3.E-Manage. Greddy/Blitz/Apexi one of those that can control and tune your your AFR
4.Gauges- Boost/Oil Pressure/AFR gauge I reccommend the aem uego its a bit pricy but the best you can buy and you can change faces :D
5.Exhuast- At minimum 2.5" no bigger is 3.0". The turbo will not like your stock exhuast
6. Turbo Timer-Greddy HKS. They all do the same function but some will have more features then others. for the love of god dont go the remote start route thats only useful when your staring your car in the morning not in the evening.
7.Gaskets- Copper is your friend remember that. ZPI is in the the process of having copper manifold gaskets produced those will be your friends once they are released.
8. Oil- thanks to killerromances for this one. make sure you change your oil to full syntheic and run at least 91 octane(93 here in tx)
That should cover all the basics you need. Addons I would recommend in no particular order.
1.FMIC
2.ESK
3.Valve Body Upgrade
4. Torque Converter
5. Boost Controller
6. Suspension Upgrade(springs/shocks/front sway bar/rear strut bar.
7. Polyurethane motor mounts
8. Stiffy(if you have to ask.....its an engine damper)
9. Tires
People with a/t turbos(therse like 3 of us) please add on to this. or the peeps who make the kits let me know what to add.