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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
forget the costs or what your going to charge.

Heres why no one with a quarter of a brain would buy that box:
1. Weight. That box with two subwoofers in it would weigh atleast 150lbs. easy.

2. Size. By stating at it would be a 9cu. box would mean that it's 4.5cu. for each chamber. Thats still 2-3.5cu (per chamber) larger than the average speaker's specifications. A box of that size would produce the same result as an infitite baffle design.

Constructive criticism: Learn the basics about subwoofers and box design before you come on here claiming to have the golden key.

well said.. i am done bagging on this dumbas$ kid.. go ahead build your box.. and to whom ever the moron is that buys this abortion of an enclosure... i hope you have money to wipe your a$$ with.. theres my constructive criticism
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:25 AM
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First off, I am not here to spam this forum but only to address the OP of this thread for which I have to say the following:

You my friend are nothing more than a ripoff artist and you got no business even trying your hand at designing, let alone building sub enclosures!!!

I say this because the picture of the enclosure w/ dimension is an exact copy that I posted on CA.COM.
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpo...5&postcount=11


I know this because I am the person that measured and template fitted to verify the dimensions as to the an enclosure I have designed for a customers Scion tC at a meet we were at and a member of this forum

Second, the volume you stated is a total crock, 9 cu.ft. ---- yeah, you wish!!! The volume is 6.86 cu.ft.

Do yourself a favor and try being original and for god sakes learn about what ya want to do before going off and making yourself look like a complete moron.

YOUR BUSTED!!!
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:36 AM
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Dude, I saw your thread and it made me want to do this. I went out and measured MY tC and came up with the same dimensions, imagine that. Thanks for the inspiration, but I did not rip your design. I went and measured, and nothing needed changing, so I sketched up my own diagram. Your design might have been 6.86 cubes, but yours also dips down in the middle. When I build the box I will get exact measurements on the volume. For now I'm sticking with a little under 9 cubes gross.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MrCabinetry
First off, I am not here to spam this forum but only to address the OP of this thread for which I have to say the following:

You my friend are nothing more than a ripoff artist and you got no business even trying your hand at designing, let alone building sub enclosures!!!

I say this because the picture of the enclosure w/ dimension is an exact copy that I posted on CA.COM.
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpo...5&postcount=11


I know this because I am the person that measured and template fitted to verify the dimensions as to the an enclosure I have designed for a customers Scion tC at a meet we were at and a member of this forum

Second, the volume you stated is a total crock, 9 cu.ft. ---- yeah, you wish!!! The volume is 6.86 cu.ft.

Do yourself a favor and try being original and for god sakes learn about what ya want to do before going off and making yourself look like a complete moron.

YOUR BUSTED!!!
I knew I wasn't crazy when i plugged in the number and I kept on getting around 6.5cuft! LOL glad you came in here and gave the real number! LOL Notice I used on of your pictures in the previous page as an example of a good box!

Oh yeah remember this design Phil?


That was the design you made for me.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:53 AM
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Yeah see that pic, it's the same thing you posted, dims and all and thats 6.86 cu.ft. and the other enclosure is totally different in design and ported.

Forget what I said about learning anything because you " FAIL " big time.

Yeah, imagine that, same design, dimensions and all. Man up and just admit the truth because no one is that gullible to believe the odds in that.

You got zero credibility just for that comment alone.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:58 AM
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Alrighty Mr I'm so big and bad because people know me. Sorry you can't accept that someone could possibly measure the same dimensions as you in an identical car.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by trialsindude
Originally Posted by MrCabinetry
First off, I am not here to spam this forum but only to address the OP of this thread for which I have to say the following:

You my friend are nothing more than a ripoff artist and you got no business even trying your hand at designing, let alone building sub enclosures!!!

I say this because the picture of the enclosure w/ dimension is an exact copy that I posted on CA.COM.
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpo...5&postcount=11


I know this because I am the person that measured and template fitted to verify the dimensions as to the an enclosure I have designed for a customers Scion tC at a meet we were at and a member of this forum

Second, the volume you stated is a total crock, 9 cu.ft. ---- yeah, you wish!!! The volume is 6.86 cu.ft.

Do yourself a favor and try being original and for god sakes learn about what ya want to do before going off and making yourself look like a complete moron.

YOUR BUSTED!!!
I knew I wasn't crazy when i plugged in the number and I kept on getting around 6.5cuft! LOL glad you came in here and gave the real number! LOL Notice I used on of your pictures in the previous page as an example of a good box!

Oh yeah remember this design Phil?


That was the design you made for me.
Yes, and I meant to thank you for the " plug " but, when I tracked down this post ( WebSite software tracker ) and I saw the first post by the OP, it just p*zzed me off to no end.

Yeah, I remember that enclosure design quite well, did yu ever build it??
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:05 AM
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We never did get it built. I ended up getting 2 10L7s and getting a design from TTB. So that's a rockin for now, but not for long, need to build a better SQL sub stage to carry along with my active front stage.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by lbjshaq2345
Alrighty Mr I'm so big and bad because people know me. Sorry you can't accept that someone could possibly measure the same dimensions as you in an identical car.
Dude, you got caught in lie, just admit it and move on. I can accept that you didn't have the good common sense to know to make subtitle changes to the dimensions to gain more volume because the enclosure is not even a tight fit in area it goes into.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:09 AM
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Any taller and without flush mounting the drivers would hit the plastic trim at max excursion more than likely, that's not a chance I'd like to take.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lbjshaq2345
Any taller and without flush mounting the drivers would hit the plastic trim at max excursion more than likely, that's not a chance I'd like to take.
LOL, yeah right. Per the dimensions and the template made there's a good 4" of clearance from the top of the box to the trim plastic on the hatch, more so to the glass in the hatch.

But, you would of known this if you had made a cardboard template to verify the clearances.

I'm done with this, you go right on with doing your thing, I'm sure someone will appreciate your efforts.

Good Day
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:18 AM
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No I didn't make a cardboard template, you're correct. I don't keep an abundance of cardboard at my house, and I did this all on my lunch break. Like I said, more than likely. Not promising anything, but not a chance I'd like to take.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:21 AM
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I want to see that 4" excursion sub! LOLOLOL
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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Calm the hell down dude. I just said he could be right, but I'd rather not chance it. Don't think you're quite close enough to his ___ to kiss it. It's nice 'arguing' with someone with intelligence for once here.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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kid give it a break ! i do this for a living . its not just measuring and building a box . for a sub to even begin to sound right there is so much to factor in. in this case bigger isnt better .its a small car 12 is the biggest you want to put in it, anything bigger your just not getting the subs full potential. 1.5 cu ft per chamber at most!
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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For anyone that cares, I plan to put two Audiopulse Revo 15s in it. More than likely powered by two Kicker 06ZX1500.1 amps in two separate racks under the floor.

edit: ^^^I have three 12s in right now, and had two 10s before that, and one 10 before that.

edit x2: Would it be more 'practical' if I built the box with Birch Plywood? Lighter, I'm not sure about stronger though.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lbjshaq2345
For anyone that cares, I plan to put two Audiopulse Revo 15s in it. edit x2: Would it be more 'practical' if I built the box with Birch Plywood? Lighter, I'm not sure about stronger though.
So since that subwoofer's recomended box volume is "2.0 - 4.0 ft³" you are left with 1-5 extra cu.ft. of air space, which translates into an extreamly inefficient system and will not produce anywhere near expectations. I personally guarantee that my single ED 13Ov.2 in a properly ported box with my Kicker 300.1 amp, would destroy your two Revo 15s in that box, in BOTH SPL and SQ comparisons. Thats not a personal opinion. Thats a guarantee.

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Would it be more 'practical' if I built the box with Birch Plywood? Lighter, I'm not sure about stronger though.
Take some time. Learn what the hell you are going to do, before you ask stupid questions like this. Your answer? Never use birch. Never use plywood. ALWAYS use MDF (atleast 3/4")!
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
Originally Posted by lbjshaq2345
For anyone that cares, I plan to put two Audiopulse Revo 15s in it. edit x2: Would it be more 'practical' if I built the box with Birch Plywood? Lighter, I'm not sure about stronger though.
So since that subwoofer's recomended box volume is "2.0 - 4.0 ft³" you are left with 1-5 extra cu.ft. of air space, which translates into an extreamly inefficient system and will not produce anywhere near expectations. I personally guarantee that my single ED 13Ov.2 in a properly ported box with my Kicker 300.1 amp, would destroy your two Revo 15s in that box, in BOTH SPL and SQ comparisons. Thats not a personal opinion. Thats a guarantee.

Originally Posted by lbjshaq2345
Would it be more 'practical' if I built the box with Birch Plywood? Lighter, I'm not sure about stronger though.
Take some time. Learn what the hell you are going to do, before you ask stupid questions like this. Your answer? Never use birch. Never use plywood. ALWAYS use MDF (atleast 3/4")!
This guy used birch ply...
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310185
Two 18s in a mini...Please tell me how my question is stupid?
And to the other bit, you made the dumb comment. Two woofers, two chambers. 9 cubes / 2 = 4.5 per chamber before displacement. So a little under 4 each after displacement. Who doesn't know what they're talking about?

edit: http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/index.php...d=91&Itemid=26
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Ok. Maybe not exactly a "stupid" question. Just an ignorant question. It's an ignorant questions because, everyone who knows anything about building subwoofer boxes knows you only use MDF. It's the best material because it's one of the strongest materials (yes there are stronger materials, but are not as cost effective) and it has a much better ability. Read further in that thread. The kid was 17 as well (coincidence?) and got the birch for free from his dad. That build is not practical eithor. 2x 18" RE subs in a mini cooper?? Eithor a show car, or competing in SPL. Not intended to be a daily driver or be concerned with SQ.

Excuse me that I didn't take into consideration the displacement of the subwoofer. Not a dumb comment by any means. So your still barely scaping into the maximum volume for the driver. Still going to sound like crap.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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Thank you for being so quick to bash me. And thank you for admitting your mistake. Yes, it will be bigger than necessary. If it sounds like ____, I'll build another one smaller. I've only used MDF personally, but the birch ply would be a good experience. Just hoping it's stiffness doesn't equate to being brittle. And I've read through the entire thread, weight was his main issue, and would be a concern for me as well.



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