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Apr 1, 2005 | 09:41 PM

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neuromonic

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How you gonna live your life a quarter-mile at a time if you be all granny shifting, not double-clutching like ya should!

The correct answer is to double-clutch before going into first. Even from a stop, even if you don't give it any gas. Hit the clutch twice. This is a common issue with manual transmition cars.

Apr 2, 2005 | 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kwc5811

Yes, I think this is a syncro issue for sure. When you come quickly down through the gears and make a full stop then try to go directly to first the syncro is trying to slowdown to the engine RPM to let you put it in gear. When you hold down the clutch for a bit and then try the syncro has had time to slown down. I think this happens to me when I use 2nd to engine brake and then go right to 1st to make a quick take off.

yes, this sounds like what it is, geez i leave this sos question bout first gear up for a day and i get so much love, this is the best forum ive been to, neways thanx for all the replys, yea it kinda digressed tho from a to z, the problem is from DEAD STOP, im not moving, im not racing, im not downshifting to first (i dont know who does that) from dead stop it jerks halfway through to first, but if i hold the clutch down for a second w/out quickly shifting to first from neutral it goes in smooth, dunno, im takin it in tuesday, hopefully i wont get dicked over, wish me luck

Apr 2, 2005 | 05:09 AM

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this probably sounds stupid, but the tC is my first manual. Can you elaborate more on the double clutching? Thanks

Apr 2, 2005 | 07:43 AM

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this probably sounds stupid, but the tC is my first manual. Can you elaborate more on the double clutching? Thanks

It doesn't sound stupid at all. I'd rather see a hundred posts asking questions than 10 posts were people talk about stuff they know nothing about! The following is an explenation of double-clutching that is on wikipedia:

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The double declutch (or, more simply, double clutch) is a driving technique that is somewhat harder to describe than to learn how to do. At one time, it was a very common practice, because gearboxes had no synchronizers. Now it has largely fallen into disuse, except by drivers of large trucks, who still have to deal with the older, unsynchronized, type of gearbox.

The purpose of the double declutch is to match the speed of the rotating parts of the gearbox for the gear you wish to select to the speed of the input shaft being driven by the engine. Once the speeds are matched, the gear will engage smoothly. If the speeds are not matched, the gears will "crash" or grate as they come into mesh. A modern synchromesh gearbox accomplishes this automatically.

To perform a double declutch, the clutch pedal is pressed and the gearbox shifted into neutral. The clutch is released, the throttle is temporarily increased which applies power to the disengaged gearbox, thus speeding it up internally. The clutch is pressed for the second time and the gear shifter lever moved (smoothly) to the desired gear. The clutch is released again, and the drive continues. This operation is suitable for a downshift. For an upshift, it is usually sufficient to allow the gear shifter lever to rest momentarily in neutral and no throttle increase is applied. The whole thing can, with practice, take no more than a fraction of a second, and the result is a very smooth (and satisfying) gear change.

Now you might be saying, "but our owners manual states that our transmission is fully syncro'ed?" It is, with the exception of reverse. Which is why the reccomend if you are having trouble in reverse to "release the clutch pedal momentarily, and then try again." I don't know if the syncro's in first gear are really small or what, but I do know that this isn't the first car I've occasionally had to do it for with first gear. Sometimes instead of double-clutching (to get into first from a stop) I will shift into second before shifting into first. This seems to do the trick too, and helps keep me from trying to launch in third gear.

If you want to learn more about how transmissions work there is a great article on www.howstuffworks.com which is a fantastic site to learn about alot of automotive technologies in general. (good articles on engines, turbos, and all sorts of neat stuff.) http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

Apr 2, 2005 | 10:28 PM

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wow, thanks alot im gonna go try this out.

Apr 2, 2005 | 11:07 PM

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I dont have any problems with first, but when i go from 1st to second i feel a weird feeling as if something in the boot on the left is scraping against the stick. Very hard to explain. Almost like there's a piece of metal in my shift boot between 1st and 2nd on the left side and when i go into second it feels likes it grabbing the stick. Weird thing is it doesn't do it all the time.

Apr 2, 2005 | 11:17 PM

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I have no problems since I bought it. Sometimes its tough to engage the R gear, but go into first then into R and it works out well.

Now its sounds like I know how to shift because of the new TRD exhaust. It purrs nicelly

Apr 2, 2005 | 11:27 PM

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There is an issue if you have to double clutch to get into first. I have no issues shifting into first at all. You should never have to double clutch (even when racing, contrary to that Fast and Furious crap movie

), with the exception of reverse at times as mentioned above. I would have the dealer check it out for sure. Mine shifts very smoothly into first (down shifting as well).

Apr 14, 2005 | 04:58 PM

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neuromonic, i've had trouble in reverse. i'm not sure if this is what happens to everyone, but sometimes i'll shift into reverse and as i start to release the clutch the car wont move much. instead i can hear something clicking, i think you can even feel it on the clutch pedal, which kinda scared me at first cuz i thought something was broken. i later realized that it was cuz the shifter hadn't completely popped into reverse. but shifting back to nuetral or even first, then back to reverse usually does the trick and you can feel the shifter fall into place correctly.

so i guess i'm not worried about having trouble going into reverse since i'm not the only one, but that clicking sound i hear when it's not in reverse correctly, does anyone else get that?

Apr 16, 2005 | 03:26 AM

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I sometimes have this problem with reverse. I is sometimes really hard to get it into reverse. make sure all the weight is off the car, could just be that the weight of the car is on the geers. I roll and then it slides nicely in to reverse.

Apr 16, 2005 | 05:32 AM

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thanks for the info. im going to try it too ;)

Apr 16, 2005 | 07:04 AM

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Yeah reverse is always a _____ to get into compared to other gears. Ive had three cars(two new) and its always weird getting into R.

Apr 16, 2005 | 03:43 PM

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You are doing just what you should, the manual covers this. If having trouble going into reverse, put it in the neutral position, release the clutch, push the clutch in, and it will go into rev easily.

Apr 16, 2005 | 10:44 PM

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Shifting into 1st while moving at a slow rate of speed will NOT f**k up your tranny!

Apr 17, 2005 | 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by neuromonic

The correct answer is to double-clutch before going into first. Even from a stop, even if you don't give it any gas. Hit the clutch twice. This is a common issue with manual transmition cars.

The Civic I'm coming out of is like that at times. Sometimes if not warmed up you just get this feeling that the synchros are out of sync, you double clutch, and back to normal. Happens most when going from stop to reverse or from reverse back to first. Just a small thing to double pump the clutch to realign things. Also, when stopped at a light, I usually cycle the gears 5-1, seems to help it get off the line more smoothly.

Apr 26, 2005 | 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitm@n

i'm noticing this as well, but not always. sometimes when shifting into 1st from nuetral, it feels as if the shifter is hitting something along the way. even when moving the stick between 2nd and 1st while at a red light. it's like there's something that is rubbing the stick along the way. however, sometimes it moves so smoothly you don't feel a thing!! WTF!