Hatch Rattle Dissection
Originally Posted by fearturtle44
I know THREAD has spent a lot of time on this and thought it was the wiring harness in the panels of the hatch. But he reported that the rattle started again so he took to the dealers. He has not posted back what the dealer said. If it is the welding, how easy/hard is this for the dealer to do?
When I went to this post on sciontc forum, no pictures were shown so not exactly sure where the welds need to be.
TSB possibly in the future???
Kevin
When I went to this post on sciontc forum, no pictures were shown so not exactly sure where the welds need to be.
TSB possibly in the future???
Kevin
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I just got my tC last wednesday. I noticed a rattle last night that seems to come from the direction of the passenger side of the hatch. Not sure if that what it is, but that's the direction it's coming from. Kind of annoying, I'll get them to check it out when they install my options tomorrow.
Originally Posted by andrew3dp
I just got my tC last wednesday. I noticed a rattle last night that seems to come from the direction of the passenger side of the hatch. Not sure if that what it is, but that's the direction it's coming from. Kind of annoying, I'll get them to check it out when they install my options tomorrow.
I actaully think its more than one thing causing the rattle because the foam tape on the latch and stops really seem to helping....it doesn't rattle as much or as loud but now when it does rattle it seems to be coming from the passengers side more.
Mine also seem to be mostly weather related. I get my worst rattle sound when its around high 30's and low 40 degrees
Now that just the hatch. The warmer it gets, 50's, my sunroof rattles but not in the 30's and 40's. To go even further, my dash creeks when the sun is out and the inside heats up. Then of course the sunroof popping when I am turning right, up or down an incline (like a driveway) when the car has been sitting for a while and the passengers side window rattle when it open about an inch when its cold.
Still no glove box rattle, I guess that is next
I am still questioning the problem being with the welds. Wish some dealer/service dept could come up with the exact solution. I too have noticed less/more of a rattle depending on the weather/temperature. Yesterday, I tried to reproduce by flexing the hatch and could NOT reproduce. Others have been and thus narrowed problem down to the welds.
I am still hoping the solution is an EASY one.......
Kevin
I am still hoping the solution is an EASY one.......
Kevin
Originally Posted by Wolo
As far as I know, there's only one person that has expressed that concern, and one person doesn't exactly equal "you guys." 
I haven't had the time to take it to the dealership for them to document the problem just yet (I work 8-5), and frankly, I don't see Scion examining the car with the same diligence as I did. If they get in the car and it doesn't rattle, I don't see them spending the time to try to reproduce the sound. They don't have the time to spend a couple hours trying to chase the problem. If anything, I'm hoping that what we did can provide them with information to better help solve the problem.
There are a number of rattles that I have that I'm resigned to having. None of them are so bad that I can't live with them. The hatch rattle, however, is a different story. Which is why I'm spending time trying to fix it.
Sorry if that bothers you.

I haven't had the time to take it to the dealership for them to document the problem just yet (I work 8-5), and frankly, I don't see Scion examining the car with the same diligence as I did. If they get in the car and it doesn't rattle, I don't see them spending the time to try to reproduce the sound. They don't have the time to spend a couple hours trying to chase the problem. If anything, I'm hoping that what we did can provide them with information to better help solve the problem.
There are a number of rattles that I have that I'm resigned to having. None of them are so bad that I can't live with them. The hatch rattle, however, is a different story. Which is why I'm spending time trying to fix it.
Sorry if that bothers you.
I don't know that the dealer will be as dilligent as you, but I would insist that everything you did somehow make it into their documentation of diagnosing the problem as well, and maybe even insist that they check the welds that you found and are concerned about. Depending on your dealer they should be willing to take the time to make you feel "right" about the situation.
I'm not bothered by your problem, notice I said I think there are a few cars that are experiencing out of the ordinary rattles. I am bothered by the amount of "OMG I GET A RATTLE LIKE THAT 2! IS MY CAR FALLING APART!!u!u! OMG SCION SUX I CAN'T BELEIVE THE SOLD ME A CAR THAT RATTLES! MY [insert car here] NEVER RATTLED!@u!pu!"
I understand the difficulty in working and getting a car to the dealership. It took me 3 weeks to get my rims fixed when the dealer scarred them up when they rotated the tires. I can typically only get there on Fridays. It does suck having to take time out of your schedule to get things fixed, HOWEVER, I firmly beleive if you are experiencing an out of the ordinary rattle and you do everything to make sure it gets documented at the dealer and they still can't fix it, it will help if/when you escalate it to Scion. Your diagnoses sounds entirely reasonable, however I doubt this is a widespread problem or one that will warrant a TSB.
Originally Posted by mancide
Most of you do not seem to understand the fact that the biggest and loudest complaints about this car are MINOR ISSUES compared the the launch of other car models that had serious mechanical issues. Most of you are probably owning your first new car and do not understand that new cars pop and make noises too. And a large majority of you are _____ing about rattles and never taking any action to get them documented or corrected.
Originally Posted by mancide
I am bothered by the amount of "OMG I GET A RATTLE LIKE THAT 2! IS MY CAR FALLING APART!!u!u! OMG SCION SUX I CAN'T BELEIVE THE SOLD ME A CAR THAT RATTLES! MY [insert car here] NEVER RATTLED!@u!pu!"

I plan on letting the service department everything that we went through in trying to find the root of this problem. I'm pretty good friends with the Scion reps at my dealership, and they can hook me up with the right person to talk to. Funny thing is, one of the reps there bought the first tC that came off the truck, and he's got the exact same rattle as I do. I'm thinking that there's definitely a section of owners who are experiencing the same thing. Hopefully, though forums like this, we can share our experiences and help move in a direction that is beneficial to everyone.
Originally Posted by Wolo
I'm thinking that there's definitely a section of owners who are experiencing the same thing. Hopefully, though forums like this, we can share our experiences and help move in a direction that is beneficial to everyone.
Hope it all works out.
Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
Originally Posted by andrew3dp
Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
I have had a new 98 Ford Mustang, a new 96 Dodge Neon and a used '96 hyundai Excel and have never heard anything this bad. I would expect a rattle from a large pot hole or a speed bump but not from a small crack it the road that you should not even feel let along get a rattle from.
Anyway, even with the rattles, I still love the car and like someone else said...I will go have it looked at instead of complaining about it.
I think we're all in agreement that just posting and complaining about it won't fix a damn thing. But, there are people like Thread have been very helpful in trying to diagnose this problem and come to some sort of solution.
As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
Originally Posted by Wolo
I think we're all in agreement that just posting and complaining about it won't fix a damn thing. But, there are people like Thread have been very helpful in trying to diagnose this problem and come to some sort of solution.
As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
Originally Posted by cripplerScion
Originally Posted by andrew3dp
Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
I have had a new 98 Ford Mustang, a new 96 Dodge Neon and a used '96 hyundai Excel and have never heard anything this bad. I would expect a rattle from a large pot hole or a speed bump but not from a small crack it the road that you should not even feel let along get a rattle from.
Anyway, even with the rattles, I still love the car and like someone else said...I will go have it looked at instead of complaining about it.
There are some people who are jumping to conclusions about every rattle and pop post and it's not reflecting on the majority of people who are pleased or having no out of the ordinary problems with their vehicles.
I realize some of you are probably having a serious problem, but unless you all take the proper steps (which it seems the guys who started this thread went above and beyond what most do) to get the problem documented by Scion so they can start tracing it if it is a manufacturing problem or a propblem arising somewhere else in the line of factory to delivery.
I did a bunch of research on the tC before buying one. I had heard of the rattles, the sunroof popping and the other "problems." I absolutely love my car, and don't regret the purchase.
I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.
I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.
Originally Posted by Wolo
I did a bunch of research on the tC before buying one. I had heard of the rattles, the sunroof popping and the other "problems." I absolutely love my car, and don't regret the purchase.
I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.
I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.






