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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by basilisk4
It seems odd that Wolo is having this problem and I'm not, since mine was an early production tC, too...
Maybe my hatch is just defective.
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fearturtle44
I know THREAD has spent a lot of time on this and thought it was the wiring harness in the panels of the hatch. But he reported that the rattle started again so he took to the dealers. He has not posted back what the dealer said. If it is the welding, how easy/hard is this for the dealer to do?

When I went to this post on sciontc forum, no pictures were shown so not exactly sure where the welds need to be.

TSB possibly in the future???

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Since the visit to the dealership the rattle has not come back. But, as soon as a TSB comes out about it I'm getting it done regardless of if it's rattling or not.


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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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Probably a good idea, though I expect the hatch rattle TSB to come out right around the same time the supercharger is readily available.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 12:26 AM
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no doubt.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 12:49 AM
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I just got my tC last wednesday. I noticed a rattle last night that seems to come from the direction of the passenger side of the hatch. Not sure if that what it is, but that's the direction it's coming from. Kind of annoying, I'll get them to check it out when they install my options tomorrow.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by andrew3dp
I just got my tC last wednesday. I noticed a rattle last night that seems to come from the direction of the passenger side of the hatch. Not sure if that what it is, but that's the direction it's coming from. Kind of annoying, I'll get them to check it out when they install my options tomorrow.
Yup, thats were mine is mostly coming from too. If they are able to fix, let us know.

I actaully think its more than one thing causing the rattle because the foam tape on the latch and stops really seem to helping....it doesn't rattle as much or as loud but now when it does rattle it seems to be coming from the passengers side more.

Mine also seem to be mostly weather related. I get my worst rattle sound when its around high 30's and low 40 degrees

Now that just the hatch. The warmer it gets, 50's, my sunroof rattles but not in the 30's and 40's. To go even further, my dash creeks when the sun is out and the inside heats up. Then of course the sunroof popping when I am turning right, up or down an incline (like a driveway) when the car has been sitting for a while and the passengers side window rattle when it open about an inch when its cold.

Still no glove box rattle, I guess that is next
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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I am still questioning the problem being with the welds. Wish some dealer/service dept could come up with the exact solution. I too have noticed less/more of a rattle depending on the weather/temperature. Yesterday, I tried to reproduce by flexing the hatch and could NOT reproduce. Others have been and thus narrowed problem down to the welds.

I am still hoping the solution is an EASY one.......

Kevin
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolo
As far as I know, there's only one person that has expressed that concern, and one person doesn't exactly equal "you guys."

I haven't had the time to take it to the dealership for them to document the problem just yet (I work 8-5), and frankly, I don't see Scion examining the car with the same diligence as I did. If they get in the car and it doesn't rattle, I don't see them spending the time to try to reproduce the sound. They don't have the time to spend a couple hours trying to chase the problem. If anything, I'm hoping that what we did can provide them with information to better help solve the problem.

There are a number of rattles that I have that I'm resigned to having. None of them are so bad that I can't live with them. The hatch rattle, however, is a different story. Which is why I'm spending time trying to fix it.

Sorry if that bothers you.
I think I saw two comments about it from different posters.

I don't know that the dealer will be as dilligent as you, but I would insist that everything you did somehow make it into their documentation of diagnosing the problem as well, and maybe even insist that they check the welds that you found and are concerned about. Depending on your dealer they should be willing to take the time to make you feel "right" about the situation.

I'm not bothered by your problem, notice I said I think there are a few cars that are experiencing out of the ordinary rattles. I am bothered by the amount of "OMG I GET A RATTLE LIKE THAT 2! IS MY CAR FALLING APART!!u!u! OMG SCION SUX I CAN'T BELEIVE THE SOLD ME A CAR THAT RATTLES! MY [insert car here] NEVER RATTLED!@u!pu!"

I understand the difficulty in working and getting a car to the dealership. It took me 3 weeks to get my rims fixed when the dealer scarred them up when they rotated the tires. I can typically only get there on Fridays. It does suck having to take time out of your schedule to get things fixed, HOWEVER, I firmly beleive if you are experiencing an out of the ordinary rattle and you do everything to make sure it gets documented at the dealer and they still can't fix it, it will help if/when you escalate it to Scion. Your diagnoses sounds entirely reasonable, however I doubt this is a widespread problem or one that will warrant a TSB.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolo
Maybe my hatch is just defective.
It does sound like it might be a slight manufacturing defect.

P.S. SL sure is slow today!
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mancide
Most of you do not seem to understand the fact that the biggest and loudest complaints about this car are MINOR ISSUES compared the the launch of other car models that had serious mechanical issues. Most of you are probably owning your first new car and do not understand that new cars pop and make noises too. And a large majority of you are _____ing about rattles and never taking any action to get them documented or corrected.
I just wanted to reproduce that quote for anyone who didn't read it yet. The tC is a solid, well-engineered car. Any car is bound to have problems. Fords, Chevys, and Subarus have engine and transmission problems; Hondas have electrical problems; the tC has some slight rattles. Which would you rather have?
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mancide
I am bothered by the amount of "OMG I GET A RATTLE LIKE THAT 2! IS MY CAR FALLING APART!!u!u! OMG SCION SUX I CAN'T BELEIVE THE SOLD ME A CAR THAT RATTLES! MY [insert car here] NEVER RATTLED!@u!pu!"
You and I are in complete agreement here.

I plan on letting the service department everything that we went through in trying to find the root of this problem. I'm pretty good friends with the Scion reps at my dealership, and they can hook me up with the right person to talk to. Funny thing is, one of the reps there bought the first tC that came off the truck, and he's got the exact same rattle as I do. I'm thinking that there's definitely a section of owners who are experiencing the same thing. Hopefully, though forums like this, we can share our experiences and help move in a direction that is beneficial to everyone.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:28 PM
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I'm getting mine looked at on friday, let's see what the service department tells me.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolo
I'm thinking that there's definitely a section of owners who are experiencing the same thing. Hopefully, though forums like this, we can share our experiences and help move in a direction that is beneficial to everyone.
Hopefully so. Just make sure you get them to put it all in the documentation if they won't perform the same shakedown you did. Afterall, I think thats the only way this will be corrected if there is a small run of VINs with bad welds. Otherwise, _____ing on the internet is accomplishing nothing but confusing people to think the car has a structural flaw, of which it obviously does not.

Hope it all works out.

Old Mar 22, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew3dp
Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
Agreed, I love it when someone who doesn't have the problem blows it off like it happens to every car....yet if they they really heard how bad it is they would be like...DUDE, you need to have that looked at, that is not normal.

I have had a new 98 Ford Mustang, a new 96 Dodge Neon and a used '96 hyundai Excel and have never heard anything this bad. I would expect a rattle from a large pot hole or a speed bump but not from a small crack it the road that you should not even feel let along get a rattle from.

Anyway, even with the rattles, I still love the car and like someone else said...I will go have it looked at instead of complaining about it.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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I think we're all in agreement that just posting and complaining about it won't fix a damn thing. But, there are people like Thread have been very helpful in trying to diagnose this problem and come to some sort of solution.

As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolo
I think we're all in agreement that just posting and complaining about it won't fix a damn thing. But, there are people like Thread have been very helpful in trying to diagnose this problem and come to some sort of solution.

As long as Scion is brought into this at some point (whether a local service department or otherwise), I think that discussing it here and comparing notes is a great first step.
Yes, but there are several people on here who never go beyond the "_____ on Scionlife" step. Sad but true.

Old Mar 23, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew3dp
Agreed that these are minor problems with a brand new car model. However, it really sounds like something is loose inside my hatch, probably the wiring harness like someone already posted. The other creaks and stuff, that seems like something I can just expect to get and put up with, but this is not a normal rattle sound. And don't think any of us are comlaining about the tC in general. I love this car and am extremely pleased with my purchase.
Agreed, I love it when someone who doesn't have the problem blows it off like it happens to every car....yet if they they really heard how bad it is they would be like...DUDE, you need to have that looked at, that is not normal.

I have had a new 98 Ford Mustang, a new 96 Dodge Neon and a used '96 hyundai Excel and have never heard anything this bad. I would expect a rattle from a large pot hole or a speed bump but not from a small crack it the road that you should not even feel let along get a rattle from.

Anyway, even with the rattles, I still love the car and like someone else said...I will go have it looked at instead of complaining about it.
I don't know that pops happen to everycar, however every car line has minor problems that only show up in some of the vehicles that roll off the line. The majority of tCs probably don't have the excessive popping and rattles. The point I was making, it seems there is a small vocal minority that continues to _____ about any and every rattle and makes people who just come on the board for research on a tC scared. Then the posts on the other thread started by these guys about the spot welds, there were a couple who wandered into that, skimmed the thread, and were now scared for structural integrity.

There are some people who are jumping to conclusions about every rattle and pop post and it's not reflecting on the majority of people who are pleased or having no out of the ordinary problems with their vehicles.

I realize some of you are probably having a serious problem, but unless you all take the proper steps (which it seems the guys who started this thread went above and beyond what most do) to get the problem documented by Scion so they can start tracing it if it is a manufacturing problem or a propblem arising somewhere else in the line of factory to delivery.
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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I did a bunch of research on the tC before buying one. I had heard of the rattles, the sunroof popping and the other "problems." I absolutely love my car, and don't regret the purchase.

I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolo
I did a bunch of research on the tC before buying one. I had heard of the rattles, the sunroof popping and the other "problems." I absolutely love my car, and don't regret the purchase.

I just want to rid myself of a few of the rattles.
Ditto.



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